Praying For Those Who Are Not Saved (genesis, gospel, Lord)
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(The Brightness of Light can only be seen in the deepest dark)
No, I'm more like a Brown Dwarf.
Very hot but rarely seen since we do not possess the beauty and brightness of normal stars; no one will ever make a wish on me -- but we burn for a long time and we'll last through the entirety of the Age of Stars.
Very hot but rarely seen since we do not possess the beauty and brightness of normal stars; no one will ever make a wish on me -- but we burn for a long time and we'll last through the entirety of the Age of Stars.
Richard, you and Mensa have the Brightest (potential) I've seen since being in this forum.
Thou you may not understand my meaning now. When the time comes you can Light ways unlike the rest.
~ I wish you all the best, I really do. Be strong and remember.
You would have thought that if God was at all concerned with salvation, he would have started immediately and not wasted several thousand years doting on the Hebrews while ignoring everyone else.
Of course, no one seems at all puzzled by the fact that God never once tried to convert anyone -- or ordered the Hebrews to try and convert anyone -- in the Old Testament. In that book, anyone who wasn't an Israelite was simply put to death, not saved.
There was no salvation before the Christ Cult came along -- and even today, the original Hebrews do not believe that the salvation offered by the Christ Cult is necessarily real.
It just seems rather odd that God would withhold his son for tens of thousands of years, making no mention of the Hebrews even upon the Creation of the World (were Adam and Eve Hebrew and, if not, where did Hebrews come from and why did they make such a sudden appearance? How did they evolve? What caused a split between Jews and Gentiles? Considering Hebrews and the rest of us are often physically different, how did this occur and why is there no mention of this in the Bible?)
But no one seems to care about this rather strange anomaly and simply continue to blindly worship even though they, themselves were never chosen by Yahweh for salvation and that the Hebrews themselves do not believe that their very own messiah is, in fact, their messiah. Which is to say that Christians are following the wrong guy.
The REAL Hebrew messiah may have absolutely nothing at all planned for Gentiles ... meaning that all the rest of us should have gotten our own god a long time ago ... but didn't. I guess we were just too lazy.
Not that it matters for we atheists since we don't believe in gods to begin with, but it just demonstrates one of the reasons WHY we don't believe.
SOME of us actually THINK about these things and realize that, when scrutinized with rudimentary critical thought, logic, and comparative historical study, what we're taught in Sunday School wilts like a flower in a drought.
But hey, whoever said that religion is supposed to make a lick of sense, right? *shrug*
All these problems 1. support and illustrate the fact of Yaweh's original role as the favorite God, certainly among others, of a specific small group clan (adopting a single deity as one's patron god/dess was common in the Classical and pre-Classical world and 2. show that the OT ideas were never meant to include a larger/global population, even once the "messiah" came.
The NT is ironic in that it is the theft of an old religion, complete changes to it, then the reasoning that it was always meant to be that way and the originators of the religion got it all wrong....well, except the parts the thieves want and need to keep (hence, the birth of Bible cherry-picking).
The NT is one of the clearest illustrations of the concept of manifest destiny we have and in that way is a learning tool for the concept, right down to the execution and the demonizing of the originators - though against a religion rather than an actual piece of geography.
In that way it's fascinating but also kind of appalling.
I am certain the person I have quoted here already knows all of this, I'm just thinking aloud with my own understanding of the concept and methodology.
As I've requested before, do you have any evidence to support your assertions, other than the book that makes the assertions?
As a math teacher uses a math book to teach math,
as an English teacher uses an English book to teach English,
as a science teacher uses a science book to teach science,
a Bible teacher would use the Bible to teach what the Bible really teaches.
True, math, English, science, history, etc. can be found within many books on the subject.
Whereas the Bible is unique, and only the Bible's teachings can be found within the 66 books of Bible canon.
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