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The Hebrew word in red is "Elohim", singular, same as the "Elohim" in Genesis 1:1...
Very good reference, but I think your translation has introduced some ambiguities with "lord" and "speaker". It would make more sense (and be more accurate) as "I have made you as a godto Pharaoh" and Aaron is his "prophet":
YHWH said to Moshe:
See, I make you as a god for Pharaoh,
and Aharon your brother will be your prophet."
(Exodus 7:1 SB Fox)
Not sure why your translation has "lord" and "speaker", but the parallelism is made more explicit with "a god" and "prophet" when you see that:
Moses is seen as "a god", and
Aaron is this "gods" prophet
Moses is an elohim (in the eyes of Pharaoh) and Aaron is his prophet, basically. Two things that seem to go together naturally.
Sorry, I think "lord" and "speaker" introduces some ambiguity to the point you are trying to make. "Lord" knows Omega already has enough trouble, and he cannot appeal to the Hebrew obviously!
It is reinforced in the Bible if you can understand it.
I have never said d otherwise.
However the church did eventually accept it based on Scripture and first does not mean right.
You can spin it anyway you want to but "im" is always a plural ending.
Your link did not work but it will not change the meaning of "im."
I speak an read Hebrew, so yea, -im is not always implying plurality (in fact I showed you Hebrew words ending in -im the are not plural but singular) no matter how much you want it to...Stop being so arrogant and telling Jews that you know our language better than we do, it's offensive...Go and actually learn Hebrew before you continue sounding ignorant...It is Christianity that is chasing people away from G-d....
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Very good reference, but I think your translation has introduced some ambiguities with "lord" and "speaker". It would make more sense (and be more accurate) as "I have made you as a godto Pharaoh" and Aaron is his "prophet":
YHWH said to Moshe:
See, I make you as a god for Pharaoh,
and Aharon your brother will be your prophet."
(Exodus 7:1 SB Fox)
Not sure why your translation has "lord" and "speaker", but the parallelism is made more explicit with "a god" and "prophet" when you see that:
Moses is seen as "a god", and
Aaron is this "gods" prophet
Moses is an elohim (in the eyes of Pharaoh) and Aaron is his prophet, basically. Two things that seem to go together naturally.
Sorry, I think "lord" and "speaker" introduces some ambiguity to the point you are trying to make. "Lord" knows Omega already has enough trouble, and he cannot appeal to the Hebrew obviously!
It is from Chabad.org, so it's a Jewish Translation...What is a prophet but a speaker for G-d....Soooo...See where I am coming from?...
Very good reference, but I think your translation has introduced some ambiguities with "lord" and "speaker". It would make more sense (and be more accurate) as "I have made you as a godto Pharaoh" and Aaron is his "prophet":
YHWH said to Moshe:
See, I make you as a god for Pharaoh,
and Aharon your brother will be your prophet."
(Exodus 7:1 SB Fox)
Not sure why your translation has "lord" and "speaker", but the parallelism is made more explicit with "a god" and "prophet" when you see that:
Moses is seen as "a god", and
Aaron is this "gods" prophet
Moses is an elohim (in the eyes of Pharaoh) and Aaron is his prophet, basically. Two things that seem to go together naturally.
Sorry, I think "lord" and "speaker" introduces some ambiguity to the point you are trying to make. "Lord" knows Omega already has enough trouble, and he cannot appeal to the Hebrew obviously!
If people would research what a prophet is to the Jews, then they would have a better understanding of his role...Elohim is better understood as "the powers that be" and not so much "G-d"...A prophet is not just a seer of future events but someone who is a Mashiach of G-d and sent to speak on G-d's behalf...In other words a prophet is there to tell the people what G-d wants them to know...Moishe was a prophet when he presented the Torah of G-d to the Israelites and Egyptians at Mt. Sinai...In fact, all the prophets, priests and kings were Mashiachs...So, there is nothing special about the word "Mashiach"...So, basically, a prophet IS a speaker [for G-d]...The point that I was trying to make with Omega was that Elohim is also used for pagan gods and also man...So, understanding the word Elohim, the way the Jews understand their own language, in essence G-d made Moishe "the powers that be" in the sight of Pharoah, because from Pharoah's vantage point, it was Moishe that was doing everything and it was Aharon that was telling Pharoah what Moishe was going to do, just as G-d told Moishe to tell the Israelites and the Egyptians at Mt. Sinai what He expected of them as His Chosen People...It's simple to understand if you are not indoctrinated against common sense...
i speak an read hebrew, so yea, -im is not always implying plurality no matter how much you want it to...stop being so arrogant and telling jews that you know our language better than we do, it's offensive...go and actually learn hebrew before you continue sounding ignorant...it is christianity that is chasing people away from g-d....
Who was the fly on the wall watching them have sex and who made the determination that it was God who killed him? More of a convenient incident or a made up one to enforce a social more of the time?
2. Abraham and his conversations with God.
As Abraham never wrote any books we know of, who was walking around with him and being privy to these conversations to write them down word for word?
3. That conversation with God and Satan in the book of Job.
Again, who was sitting there jotting down the back and forth?
4. Why does Moses speak of himself in the third person like June if Moses supposedly wrote the first 4 books of the bible?
"And the Lord spoke unto Moses..."
Doesn't it just seem more likely like these stories were dreamed up and written much later to serve some agenda?
It's not uncommon that secrets between 2 persons are exposed to a third person in this world. It is because one of the 2 talks in different situations.
A witnessing can be written in a way that one describes his story verbally for another one to write it down. Paul may describe his words verbally for his assistant to write a letter for him then sent to a church. The church will still consider it a letter from Paul. Actually third person is more reasonably used if a series of books supposed to be written by multiple persons, this series of book can still be considered as the work of one "owner".
An example is that someone will have to continue to write about Moses after his death. As a result, the first 5 books will have to be written by multiple persons as Moses won't be able to write about his own death. It's actually odd to write that "God talked to me" and later "Joshua failed to find my dead body". It's always better for sake of continuity to write it as "God talked to Moses" and "Joshua failed to find Moses' body".
I simply think that all these are common sense in regards to how humans write things down.
"As Abraham never wrote any books we know of, who was walking around with him and being privy to these conversations to write them down word for word?"
Ancient people rely on both word of mouth and simple writings to convey messages. "We don't know of" by no means says that "He didn't" write anything. Ancient writing can hardly last to reach today's humans. It's only under very rare circumstance that we can acquire the pieces of artifacts written by humans as ancient as Abraham.
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