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Old 09-07-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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The problem with "Christian morality," is that it is derived from a book which indicates that there are circumstances in which it is necessary and even righteous to slaughter helpless women and children and babies by the thousands, that witches exist and must be put to death, and that the practice of slavery is perfectly reasonable and acceptable within certain guidelines. Many of us have reached the conclusion that as far as having a sense of morality goes, we can actually aspire to do a good deal better than "Christian morality."
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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I hope there are some new arguments that will be added to the seemingly endless debate about the true nature, source and origin of morality. But I doubt it.

My prediction is that theists will declare themselves the keepers of an objective, immutable, externally bestowed and inherently superior moral code, which in fact they have appropriated for themselves from morality's only actual source, societal consensus and interaction.

I will put some popcorn in the microwave and watch this unfold, though.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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You don't need religion to have morals, if you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy and common sense, not religion.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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You don't need religion to have morals, if you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy and common sense, not religion.
That is original coming from a theist, and I agree with it. Inability to tell right from wrong is a personal issue, not a group issue. It is a function of empathy and social reciprocity, not theology.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:15 PM
 
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The problem with "Christian morality," is that it is derived from a book which indicates that there are circumstances in which it is necessary and even righteous to slaughter helpless women and children and babies by the thousands, that witches exist and must be put to death, and that the practice of slavery is perfectly reasonable and acceptable within certain guidelines. Many of us have reached the conclusion that as far as having a sense of morality goes, we can actually aspire to do a good deal better than "Christian morality."
"Christian Morality"?! What a bogus joke...based in nothing but bias and prejudice!
What you note is nothing but the typical "moral logic" mankind has always used...and still do.
What do you think happens to anybody in the vicinity (including women, children & babies) when heavy bombs with explosive or bio/chemical warheads are delivered by jets & missiles, or when we deployed nuclear munitions that wiped out whole cities in the snap of ur fingers.
And it isn't any Religion that could manifest and bring something of that evil magnitude to bear...that requires science to design and build it, and secular governments to fund and use it.
If you are "tired of the nonsense"...why are you spouting it?
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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"Christian Morality"?! What a bogus joke...based in nothing but bias and prejudice!
What you note is nothing but the typical "moral logic" mankind has always used...and still do.
What do you think happens to anybody in the vicinity (including women, children & babies) when heavy bombs with explosive or bio/chemical warheads are delivered by jets & missiles, or when we deployed nuclear munitions that wiped out whole cities in the snap of ur fingers.
And it isn't any Religion that could manifest and bring something of that evil magnitude to bear...that requires science to design and build it, and secular governments to fund and use it.
If you are "tired of the nonsense"...why are you spouting it?
Perhaps you should read what I wrote again, and read it more carefully this time.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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That is original coming from a theist, and I agree with it. Inability to tell right from wrong is a personal issue, not a group issue. It is a function of empathy and social reciprocity, not theology.

mordant, In the culture of my people we have a high standard of morality and respect and that is not based on any religious belief or even a spiritual belief, it is based on what is right and what is wrong to do to each other, goes back to the golden rule, we have learned over the many centuries that in order to survive as a people we must also learn how to treat each other with respect, we have our moral codes and these moral codes are impressed upon and agreed-upon by the people. This is how we have been able to survive all these many thousands of years.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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Perhaps you should read what I wrote again, and read it more carefully this time.
Gldn only has a few settings, and outrage at the injustice put forth by atheists to the religious (even when unfounded) is one of them. It doesn't matter what your posts actually says, he reads it how he wants to see it. He is no different than the Jeff's and Vizio's of the site.


Notice, every post he makes is taking up for the religious and putting down the non religious, yet he claims he dislikes religion, and isn't religious. He is simply one of those people who NEED to believe to feel special, even if it is belief in a worthless definition of a "god".


Anywho..... I agreed with your post. Any normal, sensible person can do much better than the Bible for their morality.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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The problem with "Christian morality," is that it is derived from a book which indicates that there are circumstances in which it is necessary and even righteous to slaughter helpless women and children and babies by the thousands, that witches exist and must be put to death, and that the practice of slavery is perfectly reasonable and acceptable within certain guidelines. Many of us have reached the conclusion that as far as having a sense of morality goes, we can actually aspire to do a good deal better than "Christian morality."



In the first place--Christians didn't exist until after Jesus came to earth--He brought a new covenant=LOVE--there is 0 about killing anyone or having them as slaves, etc--you seem very confused on this matter.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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The problem with "Christian morality," is that it is derived from a book which indicates that there are circumstances in which it is necessary and even righteous to slaughter helpless women and children and babies by the thousands, that witches exist and must be put to death, and that the practice of slavery is perfectly reasonable and acceptable within certain guidelines. Many of us have reached the conclusion that as far as having a sense of morality goes, we can actually aspire to do a good deal better than "Christian morality."
Yay.....ANOTHER thread by someone taking stories out of context, demonstrating a lack of understanding, and then whining about Biblical morality. These should all be lumped into one big thread. They seem to come along every so often, and they're the same ol' same ol'.

And the ONLY situation where it is reasonable to do so is when God commands the ancient Israelites to do it in order to possess the land that they were given hundreds of years earlier.

Since ancient Israelites are no longer in existence, it's not something that will happen again.

In any event, by what standard of morality do you determine it to be wrong? What is your moral authority based on?
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