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Old 09-27-2016, 06:47 AM
 
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Well thank you for proving the Bible true yet again:

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Matthew 24:24
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Old 09-27-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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Interesting but not at all surprising that you totally avoided responding to my point.

Fundamentalists are good at ducking and running when confronted with truth.

And a mirror.
You made a point for once?
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Old 09-27-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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Well thank you for proving the Bible true yet again:

"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Matthew 24:24
How do you know the Bible is right?

It is possible that the Quran is right and the Bible is wrong. If so, Allah is the One True God and Islam is the One True Faith. If that's true, the miracles you have seen and experienced are demonic and deceptive, and the Islamic miracles are from the One True God. 1.6 billion people believe exactly that. 1.6 billion people can't be wrong.

Are you willing to consider the possibility that Islam is true and Christianity is false? Your eternal salvation could be at stake. What if you're worshipping the wrong God?
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Old 09-27-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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How do you know the Bible is right?

It is possible that the Quran is right and the Bible is wrong. If so, Allah is the One True God and Islam is the One True Faith. If that's true, the miracles you have seen and experienced are demonic and deceptive, and the Islamic miracles are from the One True God. 1.6 billion people believe exactly that. 1.6 billion people can't be wrong.

Are you willing to consider the possibility that Islam is true and Christianity is false? Your eternal salvation could be at stake. What if you're worshipping the wrong God?
I'm always willing to concede any possibility including the possibility that it is all an elaborate ruse created by alien beings. As such, it is nearly impossible to conclusively proof anything.

That's where the probability factor comes into play. The probability factor for Christianity being the one truth faith is much higher than other religions based on the weight of evidences. Seeing that atheists WORLDWIDE only attack Christianity with a passionate anger is just one of many points of evidences. Also, religions like Islam are action based. Christianity is about having a unique identity and life path through faith in Christ. That's not how the human brain works. We want things easy. Do action A and get a B result every time. Cause and effect. That reeeks of a man-created religion.

If someone invented Christianity, why would they make it so an thesis to our very human nature?
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Old 09-27-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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I'm always willing to concede any possibility including the possibility that it is all an elaborate ruse created by alien beings. As such, it is nearly impossible to conclusively proof anything.

That's where the probability factor comes into play. The probability factor for Christianity being the one truth faith is much higher than other religions based on the weight of evidences. Seeing that atheists WORLDWIDE only attack Christianity with a passionate anger is just one of many points of evidences. Also, religions like Islam are action based. Christianity is about having a unique identity and life path through faith in Christ. That's not how the human brain works. We want things easy. Do action A and get a B result every time. Cause and effect. That reeeks of a man-created religion.

If someone invented Christianity, why would they make it so an thesis to our very human nature?
This is only evidence that Christians try to force their beliefs upon non-Christians more than other religions.
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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That's where the probability factor comes into play. The probability factor for Christianity being the one truth faith is much higher than other religions based on the weight of evidences.
How do you figure? Are there more miracles per capita in Christianity than in Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or other religions?

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Seeing that atheists WORLDWIDE only attack Christianity with a passionate anger is just one of many points of evidences.
That's simply false. Here in the USA, atheists and skeptics mainly target Christianity because it is the dominant religion here. There is also free speech here, unlike in most Muslim countries. Any atheist in Saudi Arabia who openly attacked Islam wouldn't live long enough to be noticed.

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Also, religions like Islam are action based. Christianity is about having a unique identity and life path through faith in Christ. That's not how the human brain works. We want things easy. Do action A and get a B result every time. Cause and effect. That reeeks of a man-created religion.
The "creeds not deeds" version of Christianity, which is popular among conservative Protestants, is relatively new. Read the book of James if you doubt me. Martin Luther wanted absolute certainty of salvation, so he didn't like the idea of having to earn it via right actions. He famously referred to the book of James as the "epistle of straw." He didn't think it belonged in the Bible because it didn't agree with his personal theology.

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If someone invented Christianity, why would they make it so an thesis to our very human nature?
Christianity is definitely NOT counter to human nature. Christianity is highly successful because it taps deeply into human psychology: the desire for immortality, the fear of death, the lust for power and domination over others, the longing to return to an idealized past/childhood, the desire for second chances, the desire to see enemies suffer, the desire for toil and suffering to have meaning, etc.
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Old 09-28-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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Any atheist in Saudi Arabia who openly attacked Islam wouldn't live long enough to be noticed.
I'm glad you recognize that. And that in America atheists have a lot more freedom to be obnoxious about their unbelief.
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Old 09-28-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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I'm glad you recognize that. And that in America atheists have a lot more freedom to be obnoxious about their unbelief.
Yes, the same freedom that everyone has in America.
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Old 09-28-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Yes, the same freedom that everyone has in America.
Agreed. And it's unfortunate that many people don't realize that the religious have a right to religious expression, as well.
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Old 09-28-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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Agreed. And it's unfortunate that many people don't realize that the religious have a right to religious expression, as well.
I think people generally do. But most also realise that human rights trumps religious beliefs -imagine allowing human sacrifice as an act of religious expression.
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