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Old 10-05-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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Religious fundamentalism could soon be treated as mental illness

Interesting suggestion, and if you read and listen to Kathleen Taylor, a neurologist at Oxford University, who said, "Recent developments suggest that we will soon be able to treat religious fundamentalism and other forms of ideological beliefs potentially harmful to society as a form of mental illness.", it makes sense.

But making sense doesn't mean it will ever happen, especially with the 1st Amendment in place. But, it is a way to treat radical Islam, however, it also means that fundevangelicism is treatable.

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Taylor admits that the scope of what could end up being labelled "fundamentalist" is expansive. She continued: "I am not just talking about the obvious candidates like radical Islam or some of the more extreme cults. I am talking about things like the belief that it is OK to beat your children. These beliefs are very harmful but are not normally categorized as mental illness. In many ways that could be a very positive thing because there are no doubt beliefs in our society that do a heck of a lot of damage, that really do a lot of harm."

The moral-ethical dimension arises from the predictable tendency when acting on the problem, armed with a new technology, to apply to the label "fundamentalist" only to our ideological opponents, while failing to perceive the "fundamentalism" in ourselves.
Most on here are not opposed to religious freedom, as long as it is OUR religious freedom at play. Do radical Muslims have religious freedom? Should they? How are they different from radical Christians? Or Jews? Or Hindus?
This is scary. Labeling opposing viewpoints as a mental disorder is on the path toward something very, very scary. The quote above is very condescending, where differing views are blatantly called abnormal with no authoritative basis to back it up.

...and people wonder where theists get their 'end time' scenarios from. Probably from garbage like this, that would lead to rounding up all people of faith and then what? Lobotomize them? Euthanize them? Better yet, how about we give them a mark on their forehead so everyone knows who they are...

Sometimes the sheer ignorance of humanity makes me sad.
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Old 10-05-2016, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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This is scary. Labeling opposing viewpoints as a mental disorder is on the path toward something very, very scary. The quote above is very condescending, where differing views are blatantly called abnormal with no authoritative basis to back it up.

...and people wonder where theists get their 'end time' scenarios from. Probably from garbage like this, that would lead to rounding up all people of faith and then what? Lobotomize them? Euthanize them? Better yet, how about we give them a mark on their forehead so everyone knows who they are...

Sometimes the sheer ignorance of humanity makes me sad.
And yet, until the 60s (or thereabouts) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.

And now, of course, everybody except mouth-breathing fundies know wrong that was.

Right?

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Old 10-05-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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And yet, until the 60s (or thereabouts) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.
And now, of course, everybody except mouth-breathing fundies know wrong that was.
Right?
He,he.
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Old 10-05-2016, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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And yet, until the 60s (or thereabouts) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.

And now, of course, everybody except mouth-breathing fundies know wrong that was.

Right?

The fundamentalist view on homosexuality was never "mental disorder", that would imply no fault on the part of someone afflicted. Their view has always been that it is a sin, an offense against god. That is why they continue to argue that homosexuality is a choice. No choice, no sin.
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Old 10-05-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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The fundamentalist view on homosexuality was never "mental disorder", that would imply no fault on the part of someone afflicted. Their view has always been that it is a sin, an offense against god. That is why they continue to argue that homosexuality is a choice. No choice, no sin.
There is at least one CD fundamentalist who has stated it's a mental disorder.

Trout's post is spot-on.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:34 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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This is scary. Labeling opposing viewpoints as a mental disorder is on the path toward something very, very scary. The quote above is very condescending, where differing views are blatantly called abnormal with no authoritative basis to back it up.

...and people wonder where theists get their 'end time' scenarios from. Probably from garbage like this, that would lead to rounding up all people of faith and then what? Lobotomize them? Euthanize them? Better yet, how about we give them a mark on their forehead so everyone knows who they are...

Sometimes the sheer ignorance of humanity makes me sad.
Hyperbole much?

Let's stop religious impact on the secular society. Let's stop the radical religious from beating their children, and some their wives, because of their religious beliefs. Let's stop the abuse that occurs in those families. Let's stop politicians who make their religious beliefs the foundation of their judgement on laws for all society.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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There is at least one CD fundamentalist who has stated it's a mental disorder.

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That poster should have his or her fundamentalist credentials revoked. That has not been the marketed position.

TroutDude indicted the entire collective, not just this one poster you reference.

We should at least quote their nonsense correctly when criticizing it.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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This is scary. Labeling opposing viewpoints as a mental disorder is on the path toward something very, very scary.
People who believe in the existence of gods, demons and angels ARE very scary..

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...that would lead to rounding up all people of faith and then what? Lobotomize them? Euthanize them? Better yet, how about we give them a mark on their forehead so everyone knows who they are...
Sound ideas there!

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Sometimes the sheer ignorance of humanity makes me sad.
Yes. I get the same feeling when I hear people talking about gods.
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Old 10-06-2016, 03:37 AM
 
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This is scary. Labeling opposing viewpoints as a mental disorder is on the path toward something very, very scary. The quote above is very condescending, where differing views are blatantly called abnormal with no authoritative basis to back it up.

...and people wonder where theists get their 'end time' scenarios from. Probably from garbage like this, that would lead to rounding up all people of faith and then what? Lobotomize them? Euthanize them? Better yet, how about we give them a mark on their forehead so everyone knows who they are...

Sometimes the sheer ignorance of humanity makes me sad.
pushing that a personal literally died, literally woke up, and literally flew away is a sign of a mental disorder. Its the 'apple" and we refuse to eat it. Igmorance in the form of "we have all we need to know".


normal "apologetic" atheist have little trouble with normal "apologetic" theist. The two "fundy-mental" groups of atheist and theist can't see their own problems but they sure do know its the other sides fault all right.
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:00 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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We are a naturally irrational species; we are not an insane species. We are mentally disordered in much of our thinking, but that is not the same as a mental disorder. Religion has been called insanity before (A.C Clarke, for one - I reckoned back in my teens that he was letting personal dislike get the better of him, and now I'm sure of it) but it isn't.

We can't treat it as some kind of mental illness because it is based on common human irrationality. Whover came up with the suggestion of treating it as a mental disorder (illness) should be politely informed that they have no idea what they are talking about, because nobody does yet understand the human instinct to religion.
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