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So for example, an Atheist puts a big cross around his neck, claims to be a representative of Christianity, and then starts killing fellow Christians because they don't adhere to his version of Christianity.
He yells at the top of his lungs "HELLALUYA" each time he kills and takes an innocent life. Will that be a "Christian" who represents your faith Vizio? Remember, he says he is a "Christian."
There are some on this board that would say yes--he is.
Of course, if we were to observe such behavior routinely, or we saw countries that have mandated belief in Christianity that sponsored such behavior, one may wonder if there is a bigger issue.
There are some on this board that would say yes--he is.
Of course, if we were to observe such behavior routinely, or we saw countries that have mandated belief in Christianity that sponsored such behavior, one may wonder if there is a bigger issue.
Like the killings in Africa of the LGBT people by chritstians??
Do you believe those fringe groups in Africa are typical of Christianity?
Do you believe what Christians did to the native people of this country are typical of Christians? Recently Pope Francis had the courage to apologized for the way the Christian Catholic Church decimated indigenous peoples of both North and South America, how do you feel about that? Knowing that a religious belief,a Christian belief, was the reason for the genocide of indigenous people of North, Central and South America. I thought it was very courageous and very inspiring for Pope Francis to say what he did but at the same time I also thought a little too little too late, it took over 500 years to recognize the fact that my people were human beings also.
You should study the Quran and study human nature. Over a hundred verses in the Quran clearly set the Muslim religion not as a pacifist religion but a waring religion. Quran 2:191-193, 3:56,8:12 etc.Now of course we will not find an AK-47 under every Muslims robe just as not all Americans martched off to war in the last conflict. But the teachings clearly explain why some young Muslims with mental/emotional issues attack the local gathering of non Muslims. Muslims are gaining in numbers and political influence in the USA.This issue will continue to be a hot topic for a long time.
You should study the Quran and study human nature. Over a hundred verses in the Quran clearly set the Muslim religion not as a pacifist religion but a waring religion. Quran 2:191-193, 3:56,8:12 etc.Now of course we will not find an AK-47 under every Muslims robe just as not all Americans martched off to war in the last conflict. But the teachings clearly explain why some young Muslims with mental/emotional issues attack the local gathering of non Muslims. Muslims are gaining in numbers and political influence in the USA.This issue will continue to be a hot topic for a long time.
Obviously you have NOT read the OT. WAR is the basis for the OT god..
Do you believe those fringe groups in Africa are typical of Christianity?
YES...they are lead by several prominent AMERICAN pastors...given the opportunity christianity would carry out genocide against non-believers in a heart beat--just follow the Pachyderm's display of HATE, OPPRESSION and BEATINGS...
You should study the Quran and study human nature. Over a hundred verses in the Quran clearly set the Muslim religion not as a pacifist religion but a waring religion. Quran 2:191-193, 3:56,8:12 etc.Now of course we will not find an AK-47 under every Muslims robe just as not all Americans martched off to war in the last conflict. But the teachings clearly explain why some young Muslims with mental/emotional issues attack the local gathering of non Muslims. Muslims are gaining in numbers and political influence in the USA.This issue will continue to be a hot topic for a long time.
Are you aware that the percentage of Muslims in the USA is less today than what it was before the Civil war? Before the Civil war the US was nearly 25% Muslim (Nearly all of them slaves) and today it is less than 10% many place it as low as 2% also before the civil war some of the southern states had more Muslims than non-Muslims The percentage dropped rapidly as the Muslim slaves were forced into Christianity.
None of the ayyat in the Qur'an inspire war or violence, unless a person fails to understand their place in the Surat they occur in. Few Muslims will find justification for war and violence in the Qur'an,. I will acknowledge there are evil people, misleading the ignorant and convincing them that the Qur'an requires them to kill non-Muslims if they fail to pay Dhimmi tax or convert to Islam.
Some uneducated Muslims do have to be reminded that we do not have any ordained Clergy nor are we to blindly follow any living religious leader. We are not to agree with anyone in matters of religion unless we ourself have found abundant reason to do so, through our own seeking and searching and verifying. No living Muslim is superior to any other living Muslim.. The oldest, most educated Muslim has no more authority than a new born baby.
Are you aware that the percentage of Muslims in the USA is less today than what it was before the Civil war? Before the Civil war the US was nearly 25% Muslim (Nearly all of them slaves) and today it is less than 10% many place it as low as 2% also before the civil war some of the southern states had more Muslims than non-Muslims The percentage dropped rapidly as the Muslim slaves were forced into Christianity.
None of the ayyat in the Qur'an inspire war or violence, unless a person fails to understand their place in the Surat they occur in. Few Muslims will find justification for war and violence in the Qur'an,. I will acknowledge there are evil people, misleading the ignorant and convincing them that the Qur'an requires them to kill non-Muslims if they fail to pay Dhimmi tax or convert to Islam.
Some uneducated Muslims do have to be reminded that we do not have any ordained Clergy nor are we to blindly follow any living religious leader. We are not to agree with anyone in matters of religion unless we ourself have found abundant reason to do so, through our own seeking and searching and verifying. No living Muslim is superior to any other living Muslim.. The oldest, most educated Muslim has no more authority than a new born baby.
my brother, from the way you're describing your belief, it sounds like Islam is not really a religion but more of a way of life that is the choice of the individual, much like the Native American spiritual belief. It is a choice and one that we will make freely of our own free will. To us there is no wrong way or right way in how we worshiping The Creator. There is no set standards, it is whatever way we as individuals decide what is right for us or myself in such case. Maybe the different denominations of Christianity should step back and take a good look at the spiritual beliefs of different peoples.
my brother, from the way you're describing your belief, it sounds like Islam is not really a religion but more of a way of life that is the choice of the individual, much like the Native American spiritual belief. It is a choice and one that we will make freely of our own free will. To us there is no wrong way or right way in how we worshiping The Creator. There is no set standards, it is whatever way we as individuals decide what is right for us or myself in such case. Maybe the different denominations of Christianity should step back and take a good look at the spiritual beliefs of different peoples.
My Friend and Brother, you are correct.
Islam is not the name of a religion. It is the name of an action. The Action of submitting to the Creator (Allah). Islam is part of our De'en (way of life) for those that fully submit in all matters Islam becomes all of our De'en.
To perform Islam requires free-will and the responsibility to search diligently verifying all things. It is about personal responsibility, not the following of any living religious leader. I would not say there are no set standard as we are to perform the 5 pillars of Islam to the best of our abilities.
What I find fascinating is I find that our understanding of Allaah(swt) parellels the Lakota understanding of Wakan Tonka. To understand more as to what Muslims believe of Allaah(swt) one needs to understand the 99 names of Allaah(swt) and know that in Islam names are not labels they are descriptions and attributes.
Here is a link to the 99 names (attributes) in English if you are curious: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam
The 99 names are only the ones in the Qur'an we believe the actual number of Names is without limit. Allaah(swt) is not included in the 99 Names as the Meaning of Allaah(swt) contains all of his attributes, including those we do not know of.
I think many Christians view our formal Salat (our 5 obligatory daily prayers) and come to the conclusion that is all there is to our worship. That is a very shallow view. We are to make every action and thought part of our worship. While we do have some specific prayers. We do strive to make all things to be a prayer. We have no formal prayer books and except for the Salat (which is akin to the Native American Dances) Our prayers are in our own word when and where we are moved to say them.
I believe if you search back into the history of your people you will find that escaped Muslims slaves sometimes found refuge with the Tsalagi and lived in peace, with neither trying to convert or dominate the other. While there are Native Americans that accepted Islam and Muslims that accepted the traditional Native American ways neither was done by force, all about free will and individuals doing what they have found to be true.
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