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Old 12-26-2016, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Love, fear, trust, the Bible? Current trends would be another possibility.

What do you think?
I believe it should be based on communication between man and God, on man's seeking to understand his relationship with God and discovering what God wants from Him. Religion should provide answers to these questions.
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Old 12-26-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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I believe it should be based on communication between man and God, on man's seeking to understand his relationship with God and discovering what God wants from Him. Religion should provide answers to these questions.


Though I'd say religion should HELP provide those answers.....since I think some things remain mysteries.
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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Though I'd say religion should HELP provide those answers.....since I think some things remain mysteries.
Oh yeah, for sure. I think they remain mysteries, though, not so much because God doesn't want us to understand them but because, in our present mortal state, we are simply incapable of fully understanding them.
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:38 PM
 
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Oh yeah, for sure. I think they remain mysteries, though, not so much because God doesn't want us to understand them but because, in our present mortal state, we are simply incapable of fully understanding them.
Once again.... we agree.
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Old 12-26-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Amen. The Spirit is ignored because they do NOT know what it is. Their corrupt merger of the incompatible barbaric and ridiculous beliefs about the OT God with the God revealed and demonstrated by Jesus completely masks the
Holy Spirit of agape love (Who IS God). That is the real problem with Bible idolatry.
Everything Jesus said and demonstrated?
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Old 01-01-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Philippines
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Exactly the same criteria that belief in anything else should be based on.

1. Is there any verifiable evidence for the claims.
2. Does it lend itself to logic and reason.

All present religions fail miserable to meet those criteria as have all religions of the past.
I would add:

3. Is it relevant?
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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Everything Jesus said and demonstrated?
Everythiing Jesus ACTUALLY said and did which requires that they represent a consistent morality and standard, NOT a primitive, barbaric, childish and capricious "Whatever God says or does is moral." We cannot know what God says if we do NOT have an absolute standard to measure against. That absolute standard is the perfect agape love Jesus demonstrated and described.
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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Everythiing Jesus ACTUALLY said and did which requires that they represent a consistent morality and standard, NOT a primitive, barbaric, childish and capricious "Whatever God says or does is moral." We cannot know what God says if we do NOT have an absolute standard to measure against. That absolute standard is the perfect agape love Jesus demonstrated and described.
So, no.
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Old 01-01-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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What should religion be based on?

Certainly not on a book.

Many Christian sects insist on the Bible as being written by God (or his intermediaries), which makes for some hysterically funny inconsistencies.

I still can't get over the fact that there exist three Laws in the OT: Abram's Covenant, the Mosaic Law, and Ezra's Law.

Muslims defend with your life that the Quran was dictated to Mohammad by God's angel. Unfortunately, there are parts of the Quran that deal with a specific battle against "infidel" Arabs who refused to give up their idol-worshiping religion.

The Book of Mormon, another book handed down by an angel, can be regarded as pure fantasy, infused with a great number of legends.

The Vedas, Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and other Indian Hindu scriptures are more historical in nature but written in a fashion quite common to the Indians of their day. Mystical, representational, symbolical, magical, et al.

We have to recognize that whatever was written and handed down as bona fide (meaning that it was blessed into some canon) was written by people. Not by a God of any description. There is a great deal of literature that was assessed, a pick-and-choose process that either conformed to a group of people's beliefs or not, and then proclaimed as being the "Word of God" and thusly to be followed. To the letter, in many cases.

Religion should be based on a relationship between people and between a God those people can relate to.

Once religion is based on a book, the people are not worshiping a God. They are simply following a book based on someone else's idea of God.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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Everythiing Jesus ACTUALLY said and did which requires that they represent a consistent morality and standard, NOT a primitive, barbaric, childish and capricious "Whatever God says or does is moral." We cannot know what God says if we do NOT have an absolute standard to measure against. That absolute standard is the perfect agape love Jesus demonstrated and described.
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So, no.
Stop being coy, jimmie. Read the bold. It IS everything Jesus said and did because anything NOT consistent with the standard of morality and true nature of God He revealed could NOT EVER have been said or done by Jesus.
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