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Old 06-12-2019, 03:23 AM
 
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And your preconceptions and presumptions on how to understand the scriptures is just that, your preconceptions and presumptions.

If everyone were hands, where are the feet?

Don't presume so much brother, I have a far better understanding of the spiritual then you think.
Well said. We have different gifts but the same Spirit guiding us.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:25 AM
 
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Well said. We have different gifts but the same Spirit guiding us.
Amen, that was indeed my point, glad you took it that way.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:45 AM
 
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Well said. We have different gifts but the same Spirit guiding us.
Yes, the desire to support the Belief and never mind the truth.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:58 AM
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But that is not what it says. It says the calender's was so far off that ceasars 3rd consulship was 446 days.
In other words the year in which ceasar served his 3rd consulship was 446 days.
So his fourth year as consul was for zero days?

After Cordoba (17 March 45 BC), Caesar was made consul for a fourth time (Cassius Dio Book 43 32.6 and Book 43 46.2), so you are counting two years as consul as one. Both terms of office lasted 446 days.

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So how can we trust any dating made via the consulship. I think they might be good guide lines but you cannot set them in stone so to speak as authoritative. They could be and probably are off a year or two.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=onl...20days&f=false
We trust them because we have lists of the various consules ordinarii (which lasted a year or less), both in book form and as fasti (monumental inscriptions). We are so confident with these years that we can use the many different lists to see where Augustus made false entries on the Fasti Capitolini to include some of his ancestors.

This method is confirmed because we know what historical (and sometimes astronomical) events happened during the year named after their time as consuls. We often do not know exactly the day or month the people were consuls, but we do know the year, because that is how the Romans named their years.

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After the establishment of the Roman Republic, years began to be dated by consulships and control over intercalation was granted to the pontifices, who eventually abused their power by lengthening years controlled by their political allies and shortening the years in their rivals' terms of office.
A problem solved by Caesar's new calendar.

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Having won his war with Pompey, Caesar used his position as Rome's chief pontiff to enact a calendar reform in 46 BC, coincidentally making the year of his third consulship last for 446 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar
See above.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Yes, the desire to support the Belief and never mind the truth.
Spot on my dear old maggot.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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So his fourth year as consul was for zero days?

After Cordoba (17 March 45 BC), Caesar was made consul for a fourth time (Cassius Dio Book 43 32.6 and Book 43 46.2), so you are counting two years as consul as one. Both terms of office lasted 446 days.
Well done. I'd suspected that the overlong consul year might be something to do with Caesar getting more consulships that he was really entitled to.

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We trust them because we have lists of the various consules ordinarii (which lasted a year or less), both in book form and as fasti (monumental inscriptions). We are so confident with these years that we can use the many different lists to see where Augustus made false entries on the Fasti Capitolini to include some of his ancestors.

This method is confirmed because we know what historical (and sometimes astronomical) events happened during the year named after their time as consuls. We often do not know exactly the day or month the people were consuls, but we do know the year, because that is how the Romans named their years.



A problem solved by Caesar's new calendar.



See above.
Thank you. We seemed to be getting Pneuma doing the familiar business of 'This is wrong here - so we have dismiss the whole thing as unreliable'. Which is handy in getting rid of unwelcome evidence.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:21 PM
 
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So his fourth year as consul was for zero days?

After Cordoba (17 March 45 BC), Caesar was made consul for a fourth time (Cassius Dio Book 43 32.6 and Book 43 46.2), so you are counting two years as consul as one. Both terms of office lasted 446 days.



We trust them because we have lists of the various consules ordinarii (which lasted a year or less), both in book form and as fasti (monumental inscriptions). We are so confident with these years that we can use the many different lists to see where Augustus made false entries on the Fasti Capitolini to include some of his ancestors.

This method is confirmed because we know what historical (and sometimes astronomical) events happened during the year named after their time as consuls. We often do not know exactly the day or month the people were consuls, but we do know the year, because that is how the Romans named their years.



A problem solved by Caesar's new calendar.



See above.
Again that is not what it says. The reason C had to come up with a new calendar was because the old way of dating made a mess out of what a year was. It was so bad in fact that they sometime celebrated feast days months before or after the actual event.

Thus a year could be any number of days and the year of C 3rd consulship was 446 days.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:26 PM
 
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Thank you. We seemed to be getting Pneuma doing the familiar business of 'This is wrong here - so we have dismiss the whole thing as unreliable'. Which is handy in getting rid of unwelcome evidence.
Why is it every time I challenge something it for some christian ulterior motive? Why can it not be because there is something questionable about it?

You seem to think no one should question that a year had 446 days to it
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:14 AM
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Well done. I'd suspected that the overlong consul year might be something to do with Caesar getting more consulships that he was really entitled to.
He was given the role of consul twice in two years because he was entitled to it and the senate thought he was the best person to be consul. In the five years before his death they made him consul four times.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:36 AM
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Again that is not what it says. The reason C had to come up with a new calendar was because the old way of dating made a mess out of what a year was. It was so bad in fact that they sometime celebrated feast days months before or after the actual event.
The method of calculating years was a problem, yes. Caesars reforms solved this problem. And it was to do with the lunar calendar, not the consulship. (Book 43, chapter 26 Cassius Dio). And our consular dates come after Caesars reforms.

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Thus a year could be any number of days and the year of C 3rd consulship was 446 days.
From book 43.

3rd consulship (lasted the complete year).

33 1 Caesar was at that time dictator, and at length, near the close of the year, he was appointed consul, after Lepidus, who was master of the horse, had convoked the people for this purpose; for Lepidus had become master of the horse at that time also, having given himself, while still in the consulship, that additional title contrary to precedent.

4th consulship (lasted part of a year).

46 2 Thus he took the office of consul immediately, even before entering the city, but did not hold it through the whole year; instead, when he got to Rome he renounced it, turning it over to Quintus Fabius and Gaius Trebonius.

Caesars 4th consulship. His 3rd and 4th consulship lasted 446 days.
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