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Sure sounds fun. Lets start with you specifically defining your version of god and an enumeration of your scientific reasons for believing in said god. Then explain why each of those reasons are evidence that your definition of god exists.
You did say that science was one of the things that brought you back, so you must at least have a decent god hypothesis and objective supporting evidence, no?
In the context of this forum, it's not much of a stretch. There is one regular member that has claimed many, many times that the non-believers are just angry toward God. He's been told by the non-believers (every time he says it) that they can't be angry with something that they do not believe exists. Yet, the next time the subject comes up, he claims the same thing again. So, yeah, the non-believers can pretty much know what he (at least) believes.
And it's amazing how the non-believers keep showing up on internet message boards to attack that which they claim they don't believe in.
Bert Campolo, The Evangelical Scion Who Stopped Believing
For most of his life, Campolo had gone from success to success. His father, Tony, was one of the most important evangelical Christian preachers of the last 50 years, a prolific author and an erstwhile spiritual adviser to Bill Clinton. The younger Campolo had developed a reputation of his own, running successful inner-city missions in Philadelphia and Ohio and traveling widely as a guest preacher...For Campolo, admitting that he had totally lost his faith was oddly comforting...
A spiritual adviser to Bill Clinton is not necessarily a resume' enhancement.
From the article...
“When I took off on the bicycle that day,” Campolo says, “the supernaturalism in my faith was dialed so far down you could barely notice it.” It had been years since he made God or Jesus or the resurrection the centerpiece of the frequent fellowship dinners he and Marty hosted. Talk instead was always about love and friendship. In 2004, he performed a wedding for two close lesbian friends, and in 2006, he began teaching that everybody could be saved, that nobody would go to hell.
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Now, after his near-death experience, his wife told him — more bluntly than she ever had — what she thought was going on. “You know,” Marty said, “I think you ought to stop being a professional Christian, since you don’t believe in God, and you don’t believe in heaven, and you don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead three days after dying — and neither do I.”
Sounds like a typical case of trying to do Christianity without Christ. You can't do it. He just realized it.
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A spiritual adviser to Bill Clinton is not necessarily a resume' enhancement.
From the article...
“When I took off on the bicycle that day,†Campolo says, “the supernaturalism in my faith was dialed so far down you could barely notice it.†It had been years since he made God or Jesus or the resurrection the centerpiece of the frequent fellowship dinners he and Marty hosted. Talk instead was always about love and friendship. In 2004, he performed a wedding for two close lesbian friends, and in 2006, he began teaching that everybody could be saved, that nobody would go to hell.
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Now, after his near-death experience, his wife told him — more bluntly than she ever had — what she thought was going on. “You know,†Marty said, “I think you ought to stop being a professional Christian, since you don’t believe in God, and you don’t believe in heaven, and you don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead three days after dying — and neither do I.â€
Sounds like a typical case of trying to do Christianity with Christ. You can't do it. He just realized it.
Typo? Do you mean in that last line "without Christ"?
Well....Tony isn't exactly a shining example of a faithful pastor....so it's not a surprise that his kid walked away from the faith.
Having said that, pastor's kids are normal people. Sometimes they don't believe.
Did he do something that caused you to believe he was an unfaithful pastor ?
I haven't researched him fully I just know him from his very inclusivistic videos
that's because most atheists aren't really atheists but anti theists who hate the God they suspect does exist .
Agreed. I would suggest it's not really even something they're consciously aware of. It's weird how they say that they grew up in the church, or Grandma used to make them go as a kid, or whatever....but it's amazing how many of them carry grudges against some form of church they used to be a part of. So they assume that it represents God in all aspects and they hate all organized religion.
In the context of this forum, it's not much of a stretch. There is one regular member that has claimed many, many times that the non-believers are just angry toward God. He's been told by the non-believers (every time he says it) that they can't be angry with something that they do not believe exists. Yet, the next time the subject comes up, he claims the same thing again. So, yeah, the non-believers can pretty much know what he (at least) believes.
"Angry toward God", means anger toward directives the Deity God has put forth through what is written in "Holy Books".
"Angry toward God", because of the rules and commandments you don't want to obey.
The oxymoronic assessment of the attitude and actions (replete with detailed critique, insults, mocking, etc) of those very Gods that y'all claim don't exist...rather than just say, "It's a myth, they don't exist", and leave it at that...sure does make it seem like y'all are angry!
The amusement of the cognitively dissonant head-butting between these sides is what's my main attraction to this board!
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