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Amazing that this has gone on for as long as it has. It's a testimony to the intolerance of the non-religious. If this was a kid that simply told his parents that he didn't want anything to do with their religion, great....end of story. But Mom and Dad dare to tell the kid that his lifestyle is wrong, and people freak out. 378 posts later, the C-D group is still arguing over it.
Amazing that this has gone on for as long as it has. It's a testimony to the intolerance of the non-religious. If this was a kid that simply told his parents that he didn't want anything to do with their religion, great....end of story. But Mom and Dad dare to tell the kid that his lifestyle is wrong, and people freak out. 378 posts later, the C-D group is still arguing over it.
I was waiting for you to arrive. Here. I have my fainting couch for you. Have a drape across it.
They gave birth to, and raised a gay son. Now they use God to reject him.
No, it doesn't make you a bigot. But if you insisted that your offspring must think as you do about it, and if you refuse to accept that, while you can't see how such a marriage would work for you, that doesn't mean your offspring couldn't see how it would work for them, and if you refuse to be present for them at an important event in their lives in order to express your disapproval of their choice or because it made you uncomfortable -- what would that make you?
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Originally Posted by Cliksder
I'm confident any children I will hopefully raise will see the beauty of Judaism; that it will allow them to lead the most productive life as honest, morally upright citizens that contribute whatever they can to society and all the people they meet. Hopefully, I'll lead by example and they will absorb that.
If not, I'll love my children just the way they are. But, again, whenever there is conflict, especially among family, sometimes compromise is necessary. I am sure we will figure it out should it ever come to that.
Edit: I am talking in general here not about the marriage example specifically.
That seems like a non-answer to me. I'm not asking what you would do. I'm asking if you DID do those things (bolded), what would that say about you?
Orthodox Jews don't enter churches. (Though, some will enter mosques.) One reason being Christans split their God up into 3 entities which is not aligned with Jewish beliefs while Muslims don't do that.
Jewish Orthodox and Conservative clergy does not do interfaith marriages. So, likely, a person of the spouses faith would do the wedding. Doesn't work.
If the venue and ritual and offical doing the ceremony is non-religious I could very well imagine even some Orthodox Jews attending though certainly not all.
Okay, so I decided to do a little research (Thank you for making me interested in this topic), and came up with this. It basically says that, yes, according to the old doctrine, you shouldn't step foot in a church, but the last line in the article says something else. Something we are used to hearing when talking of religion.
Fear of entering a church may have been relevant in certain countries in earlier periods, but does not apply today. It smacks either of religious cowardice or of time-warp mentality.
Amazing that this has gone on for as long as it has. It's a testimony to the intolerance of the non-religious. If this was a kid that simply told his parents that he didn't want anything to do with their religion, great....end of story. But Mom and Dad dare to tell the kid that his lifestyle is wrong, and people freak out. 378 posts later, the C-D group is still arguing over it.
Too very different ideas. For a person to tell another that their belief or lack of belief is wrong is one thing, not being willing to share their one special day is a totally different degree. For example you probably know what I think of your religious beliefs however if we were related and I was available and I had been invited to your wedding I would certainly have attended it no question asked. That you do not see the difference between disagreement and in shunning someone's most important day of their life is your problem and I do not think that those who are non religious are necessarily the intolerance ones as once again you ignore all the religious ones whose views you disagree with or lump some religious people as non religious because you do not agree with them. I see that nothing has changed during my absence. My aunt's refusal to go to my wedding was her intolerance and so her children and her husband were not able to see my commitment to my wife that has now lasted over 40 years. If one of my grandchildren had a SSM or married an extremely fundamental Christian I would go to her wedding because it is HER wedding and nothing to do with me. If that is what you think intolerance is so be it. Failure to support your child or grandchild on that one special day is not supporting them at all as far as I am concerned.
The intolerance is not in the not agreeing with someone but in the refusal to attend this special day and the effects it will have on your child and even more so on their spouse for maybe the rest of your life.
I spend no time thinking about the personal sexual practice of gay men ,or straight men ,or women for that matter. Fundamentalist ideologues seem to be stuck on it. It stirs your loins and makes you moist. It is something about the forbidden I think. I am sure the pages of many Bibles are dog-eared on scriptures mentioning forbidden sex.
My LGBTQ family members are no different that you. They work, pay taxes, do homework with their children. Just like the Stone family.
News flash- Your LGBTQ brothers and sisters are marrying all over the nation.
And the fundies' impotent wailing and gnashing of teeth is music to my ears.
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