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Both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
Kidnapping was a capital crime to the Jews. The overwhelming majority of Africans taken for the slave trade were purchased from rival tribes.
Both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10).
I suppose that this just about relates to a life with God giving the way of life or a life without.
Some OT expert might comment, but that looks to me like an injunction against kidnapping people and selling them. The practice of buying and owning slaves through slave teade is not condemned, in fact is that there are commandments about how to buy and own and treat slaves. And of course in the NT there is not a word of condemnation of slavery, but rather an injunction to slaves to obey their masters.
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Originally Posted by Tired of the Nonsense
Kidnapping was a capital crime to the Jews. The overwhelming majority of Africans taken for the slave trade were purchased from rival tribes.
Or taken in wars. Or own populace surplus to requirements.
This was the legitimate slave trade in the ancient middle east and the Hebrews did it the same as anyone else - even enslaving their own people. Nobody thought it was wrong. Least of all whoever wrote the Commandments. There is injunction against 'coveting' another person's property but no injunction against owning another person AS property.
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I suppose that this just about relates to a life with God giving the way of life or a life without.
Some OT expert might comment, but that looks to me like an injunction against kidnapping people and selling them. The practice of buying and owning slaves through slave teade is not condemned, in fact that there commandments about how to buy and own and treat slaves. And of course in the NT there is not a word of condemnation of slavery, but rather an injunction to slaves to obey their masters.
Obviously, you did not read the scripture references.
Obviously, you did not read the scripture references.
As a matter of fact, I did. There has been a prolonged debate about this with various arguments for excusing God for apparently permitting, not to say, endorsing, slavery. Everything from "it meant Indentured servitude" to "it wasn't God's fault - it was men doing it". They all fail. The Bible has commandments about whom you can own as a slave, how much to pay for them and how you should treat them. The NT simply says 'Obey your masters".
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Don't change the subject. You were wrong. The Bible does condemn slavery.
It isn't changing the subject. If anything, you were as your OT ref is about kidnapping being wrong, just as stealing someone's cows or camel is wrong, but owning another person is not.
It seems like atheists are growing in numbers. I'm not really sure if they are, or if it is just that we live in a society where everyone feels compelled to be "out" about everything they think. I have never been able to understand atheists because I have believed in God since I was first walking and talking. I don't know if atheists are born with something different than what I was dealt. I don't know if atheists have to constantly find ways to cling to unbelief. I just know that a universe and life without God seems absurd to me. I read a good article about it just a while ago:
More unsubstantiated bias-rhetoric. quite clearly Noz has backed up his side of the case and Tzaph hasn't - yet. Your anti -atheist bias has led you to fall over your own feet, yet again.
Noted.
Once I reach 26 thousand posts...you just might feel I post with less bias.
Nozz backed nothing but his bogus analogy that was a fail from the get-go.
Noted.
Once I reach 26 thousand posts...you just might feel I post with less bias.
Nozz backed nothing but his bogus analogy that was a fail from the get-go.
The idea that posting a certain amount of tripe means it becomes anything but tripe is sorta on a par with the generality of Theist apologetics; you just add your own brand of malicious mischief...which everyone but you can see, that's what's the hoot. Everyone can see the failure of your arguments and the denial when that is pointed out. And they can also see that Nozz backed up his case but Tzaph has still to do the same with hers.
The idea that posting a certain amount of tripe means it becomes anything but tripe is sorta on a par with the generality of Theist apologetics; you just add your own brand of malicious mischief...which everyone but you can see, that's what's the hoot. Everyone can see the failure of your arguments and the denial when that is pointed out. And they can also see that Nozz backed up his case but Tzaph has still to do the same with hers.
Maybe so.
But, ya know...come to think of it...a million posts promoting the LOBBUNE Doctrine would not ever redeem it from being anything but illogical tripe...so, I'm hip to your point.
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