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Religion is based on faith alone, of course it is...the first thing they drill in your head at school. You have to have faith...That means you don't question, you accept what's being told and never dare question any of it. That's what turns people against religion.
Science is based on proof. On Logic. On reality
My faith in God is not placed blindly and is supported by facts, evidence, logic and reasoning. Peoples faith in science is supported by facts, evidence, logice and reasoning. Who has the bigger leap of faith? I submit it's those who believe solely in science that have a bigger leap of faith than those who believe in God.
BTW, from my POV, God created everything in the universe from nothing (kind of what the Big Bang cosmology states) which also includes logic and reason. Laws of logic are the same in the US as they are in India, UK, and Africa. They are constants. IMO, the fact that logic exists and constant natural laws exist (Gravity, Law of Entropy) point, as evidence, to God the creator.
Something cannot come from nothing. If it has a beginning, it must have been caused. The universe has a beginning, therefore it has a cause. This cause has to be outside that which it is giving a beginning. Therefore, God is the cause of the universe because He was outside of time/matter (eternal - no beginning) when he created it.
If I haven't "dug deep enough" it's because that was a shallow question, therefore it deserved a "shallow" answer.
What religion was Siddhartha? Maybe..... Hindu....
What is the highest God in Hinduism...Maybe Brahma? Who is the Creator of all, and the uncreate god in the highest heaven which rules over all lesser gods, on the lower levels. From Yamma down to earth...
My faith in God is not placed blindly and is supported by facts, evidence, logic and reasoning. Peoples faith in science is supported by facts, evidence, logice and reasoning. Who has the bigger leap of faith? I submit it's those who believe solely in science that have a bigger leap of faith than those who believe in God.
BTW, from my POV, God created everything in the universe from nothing (kind of what the Big Bang cosmology states) which also includes logic and reason. Laws of logic are the same in the US as they are in India, UK, and Africa. They are constants. IMO, the fact that logic exists and constant natural laws exist (Gravity, Law of Entropy) point, as evidence, to God the creator.
Something cannot come from nothing. If it has a beginning, it must have been caused. The universe has a beginning, therefore it has a cause. This cause has to be outside that which it is giving a beginning. Therefore, God is the cause of the universe because He was outside of time/matter (eternal - no beginning) when he created it.
There are so many flaws with this, I don't know where to start.
1. Belief in a creator is not logical.
2. You don't "believe" in science. You accept what can be observed. Your refusal to recognize that means nothing.
3. You obviously know nothing about Big Bang Cosmology or physcis. A Big Bang coming out of nowhere would be impossible. The first law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy can not be created nor destroyed. No beginning and no end. Considering the fact that the universe and every physical thing it contains (including us) is made of matter energy, it's pretty foolish to think we came from nowhere. Religion makes that claim. Not science. The materials for life have always existed. You criticized a viewpoint that doesn't even exist. In addition, if you had a strong knowledge of physics and astronomy like me, you'd know that the universe doesn't require a creator. Like stated before, the universe and all its contents are composed of energy and matter, so I don't even need to address the whole beginning thing. Scientific LAWS don't agree.
What religion was Siddhartha? Maybe..... Hindu....
What is the highest God in Hinduism...Maybe Brahma? Who is the Creator of all, and the uncreate god in the highest heaven which rules over all lesser gods, on the lower levels. From Yamma down to earth...
godspeed,
freedom
He was an atheist. He said believing in a creator was closed-minded. If you read his scriptures, you'd know that.
He was an atheist. He said believing in a creator was closed-minded. If you read his scriptures, you'd know that.
He was not born an Atheist, His daddy raised him to be an atheist after his mother died, because he did not want him to follow his mission to teach the higher truths of Brahma....
You have no idea what i have studied and read, and i've had a lot more time to learn these things than your lengthy 17 yrs. of earth education.
He was not born an Atheist, His daddy raised him to be an atheist after his mother died, because he did not want him to follow his mission to teach the higher truths of Brahma....
You have no idea what i have studied and read, and i've had a lot more time to learn these things than your lengthy 17 yrs. of earth education.
godspeed,
freedom
Everyone is born an atheist. And slamming someone for their age reeks of closed-mindedness.
There are so many flaws with this, I don't know where to start.
1. Belief in a creator is not logical.
Your opinion, not a fact. I find my belief in God quite logical.
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2. You don't "believe" in science. You accept what can be observed. Your refusal to recognize that means nothing.
And did anyone observe the 'Big Bang'? No? Then it's merely a belief as to its occurence based upon supporting evidence. That sounds very similar to my belief in God.
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3. You obviously know nothing about Big Bang Cosmology or physcis. A Big Bang coming out of nowhere would be impossible. The first law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy can not be created nor destroyed. No beginning and no end. Considering the fact that the universe and every physical thing it contains (including us) is made of matter energy, it's pretty foolish to think we came from nowhere. Religion makes that claim. Not science. The materials for life have always existed. You criticized a viewpoint that doesn't even exist. In addition, if you had a strong knowledge of physics and astronomy like me, you'd know that the universe doesn't require a creator. Like stated before, the universe and all its contents are composed of energy and matter, so I don't even need to address the whole beginning thing. Scientific LAWS don't agree.
So what was before the Big Bang? Where did all the energy and matter in the universe originate from? You've actually helped reinforce my point ... secular science has no reliable answer as to what caused the Big Bang, yet they agree something must have. God perhaps?
Everyone is born an atheist. And slamming someone for their age reeks of closed-mindedness.
No they are not, especially not Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Virgin Mary and many others.
Saddartha was born with divine powers, walked, talked and taught minutes after he left his mothers womb. When he walked in four directions lotus blossoms sprung from his path.
Sounds like he wasn't an atheist..
I mentioned his age, so others would understand his verbage. It was a mercy not a slam...
Your opinion, not a fact. I find my belief in God quite logical.
And did anyone observe the 'Big Bang'? No? Then it's merely a belief as to its occurence based upon supporting evidence. That sounds very similar to my belief in God.
So what was before the Big Bang? Where did all the energy and matter in the universe originate from? You've actually helped reinforce my point ... secular science has no reliable answer as to what caused the Big Bang, yet they agree something must have. God perhaps?
1. If you haven't studied logical reasoning yourself, you're in no position to say your belief is logical. I'm speaking on assumption, but it's a pretty safe one considering the fact you think belief in a God is logical.
2. There is no tangible evidence for God. Too bad you can't say the same for the Big Bang. The evidence is observable too.
3. If it has no beginning or end, it can't "come from" anywhere. It had to always exist. If something doesn't have a beginning or end, it's not logical to say it came from somewhere.
For someone who has a position based on logic, I see none of it in your arguments.
He was not born an Atheist, His daddy raised him to be an atheist after his mother died, because he did not want him to follow his mission to teach the higher truths of Brahma....
You have no idea what i have studied and read, and i've had a lot more time to learn these things than your lengthy 17 yrs. of earth education.
godspeed,
freedom
I was a Christian at one time too. Does that undermine my atheism? No it doesn't. He was born an atheist and died an atheist. When he founded Buddhism, he was an atheist. His scriptures support that. Living long means nothing. You still don't have your facts straight.
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