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Old 03-31-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Jews really don't have a clue.

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So, YOU have all the clues? Why don't you enlighten us with your "clues"?
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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No problem with the source, just huge problems with Christianity's interpretation and twisting of Christ's.


Just had to ask some place, '' What exactly is that getting the elderly a job thing you got goin on? A Joke?''
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Old 04-03-2017, 05:21 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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"New Jerusalem" -- not a thing in Judaism.
Orlando, Florida maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odY8IaW-LhM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZujdVuawsWM
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Old 04-03-2017, 05:37 AM
 
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"New Jerusalem" -- not a thing in Judaism.
Isaiah 65:17-20 (NET Bible)

For look, I am ready to create
new heavens and a new earth!
The former ones will not be remembered;
no one will think about them anymore.

But be happy and rejoice forevermore
over what I am about to create!
For look, I am ready to create Jerusalem to be a source of joy,
and her people to be a source of happiness.

Jerusalem will bring me joy,
and my people will bring me happiness.
The sound of weeping or cries of sorrow
will never be heard in her again.

Never again will one of her infants live just a few days
or an old man die before his time.
Indeed, no one will die before the age of a hundred,
anyone who fails to reach the age of a hundred will be considered cursed.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:57 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Isaiah 65:17-20 (NET Bible)

For look, I am ready to create
new heavens and a new earth!
The former ones will not be remembered;
no one will think about them anymore.

But be happy and rejoice forevermore
over what I am about to create!
For look, I am ready to create Jerusalem to be a source of joy,
and her people to be a source of happiness.

Jerusalem will bring me joy,
and my people will bring me happiness.
The sound of weeping or cries of sorrow
will never be heard in her again.

Never again will one of her infants live just a few days
or an old man die before his time.
Indeed, no one will die before the age of a hundred,
anyone who fails to reach the age of a hundred will be considered cursed.
OK, and how exactly is that a new Jerusalem? The text is pretty clear -- new heavens and some form of new earth (though Rashi says this refers to princes, not the actual planet). But Jerusalem and its people will have rejoicing created for them (or, alternatively, establish Jerusalem as the source of rejoicing -- Malbim, ירושלים עצמה תהיה גילה תמידית ע''י השכינה והאור האלהי שיתראה בה). They are not new. They are certainly not like the Christian New Jerusalem which will replace the city (c.f Blake's idea of England as the New Jerusalem). So, much like the covenant, renewed but not new (as the Metzudat David says, אחדש שם ירושלים להקרא גולה ואחדש שם עמה להקרא משוש).
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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For look, I am ready to create Jerusalem
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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OK, and how exactly is that a new Jerusalem? The text is pretty clear -- new heavens and some form of new earth (though Rashi says this refers to princes, not the actual planet). But Jerusalem and its people will have rejoicing created for them (or, alternatively, establish Jerusalem as the source of rejoicing -- Malbim, ירושלים עצמה תהיה גילה תמידית ע''י השכינה והאור האלהי שיתראה בה). They are not new. They are certainly not like the Christian New Jerusalem which will replace the city (c.f Blake's idea of England as the New Jerusalem). So, much like the covenant, renewed but not new (as the Metzudat David says, אחדש שם ירושלים להקרא גולה ואחדש שם עמה להקרא משוש).

Watchout, they only start with the New Jerusalem idea, they hadn't even begun to show you how you aren't the real Jew lol.


Like what it says in the New Testament,'' They that call themselves Jews and are not.''


People everywhere will claim to be the new Jerusalem, the new Jew when they don't do anything real Jews do, when they don't even remotely act like Jews act towards the Torah and yet they are supposed to be the new Jews.


Maybe it's that everyone is a Jew except a Jew, and everyone is Jerusalem except a Jew lol.


Who knows what gets in they mind.
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Old 04-03-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: NJ
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For look, I am ready to create Jerusalem
Sure, if you take a half of the statement...
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:19 AM
 
Location: US
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For look, I am ready to create Jerusalem
Does it say NEW?...No...
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Old 04-04-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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everything is new when its created
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