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Actually, we don't know that its too late at the point. The limitations of the body's defenses are no more certain than supernatural healings.
Are you saying that you withheld medical treatment once you found you had Stage 4 cancer?
Were these people who you said were healed by God through you taking any medication for their afflictions?
Assuming you believe the Creation Story in Genesis (correct me if I'm wrong), didn't he set Adam and Eve up for failure?
Many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.. claim to be healed by their God(s). How do you know that it is your God that healed you and others?
Q1) Yeah, that's what I'm saying. G-d did a lot more with this than what I'm sharing as far as the way He manifested Himself in this and involved other believers, which in a way is nearly as astounding as the healing itself, but no, I never had any medical intervention save the tests that showed it, and then didn't show it.
Q2) I assume, I don't know I never asked them. I remember one woman had been given 2 months to live with leukemia, and her cell count was horrible. She came to my friend's and I bible study. We called it a bible study, but really what it was, was 1st century house church style worship. In other words, we had no set agenda, no set message, no set "these 3 songs first"; it started at 6pm, but we had no set ending time (sometimes it went on till 4am, because no one wanted to leave as long as He was doing stuff) no set anything, save 30-50 showed up every Friday night, strictly by word of mouth, all but about 15 regulars. We simply started out by entering His courts with thanksgiving and His gates with praise, as the word says. Then we let Him be Him and do whatever He wanted to do for whomever, however.
There were new people every week, brought by "old" people who had been there before, all denominations were present, all by word of mouth. I couldn't tell you what half their names were, even. They didn't come for us, they came for what they heard He was likely going to do, which is as it should be.
Anyway, because of what He did via His presence, she didn't have any doubt that she had been healed. A test 5 days later confirmed that. I have no idea what meds they had her on. I actually didn't even know what was wrong with her, until after I had prayed for her. Anyone that moves in the gift of word of knowledge does not want to be told anything about the person beforehand, because that robs them of the blessing of KNOWING beyond a shadow of any doubt that they have just been spoken to by Him, and that is what activates the measure of faith He said He gives ALL MEN to receive Him. Because word of knowledge is when something is revealed by Him that the person praying could not possibly know, usually something that only that person and G-d knows. That's why their faith is activated. They KNOW only G-d could know that x,y, z about them.
Anyway, back to the woman with leukemia. I had been late getting in there and everyone else had already been informed and prayed for her. I was last to pray, and He didn't name "it", but I knew by Him (via the gift word of knowledge) that "it" was a death sentence if He didn't move for her. He showed the root (also revealed by word of knowledge), repentance came (after word of wisdom given to instruct in how to deal with situation), and then dealt with the fruit, leukemia, via prophesying (declaring those things that are not, as though they were). This is the pattern of the speaking gifts in operation, I've just "outlined" for you here.
Q3) Yes, and no. He set them up to return in glory.
Q4) If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? No, seriously, we don't call on the name of Mohammed, Buddha, or Krishna, for one thing. Assuming you're married, how do you know who it is you're getting in bed with to be intimate with at night if it's so dark you can't see in there? You know their voice, their smell, the feel of their skin and hair, the way they kiss, ect. It's called INTIMACY. Peace
Never mind the cancer cure, I think the before and after x-rays of the "crushed" elbow would be quite convincing and easy to provide.
I mean, certainly if person's elbow was "crushed," x-rays would be taken to determine the course of treatment. And surely a 2nd set was taken to confirm the miraculous healing. The medical world would be agog. And Rbbi1 could be scoring YUUUUGE points for her g-d instead of...what she is currently doing.
I agree. I would have asked for and saved both images so that I could prove to myself and everyone who asked that I had received a supernatural healing.
You're funny. When you start hemorrhaging and have a 8 centimeter tumor in just one organ, get back with me. Peace
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I didn't give him a chance to be astonished any more than what he was. After the 3rd negative biopsy and his suggestion for a 4th, I said, and I quote, "Didn't you hear me the first 3 times? I said, thank You Jesus I'm healed, and I'm NOT COMING BACK for a 4th biopsy!" I never went back. Peace
That initial symptom and biopsy must have been quite scary.
From a non-believer's point of view, I don't find this story convincing. Based on your posts, it seems that you had little medical care for this issue, possibly none until you started bleeding. There may not have been much medical history.
It is equally likely, perhaps even more likely, that the initial biopsy was incorrect. The second and third biopsy were the correct ones, and you never had cancer. The tumor was something else relatively benign.
This is why claims of faith healing are so unconvincing to me. There is never any solid medical proof, and there are always plausible alternate explanations.
I know that you will not find my post convincing. That is fine, i am not trying to convince you of anything. I am merely exploring the claims.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. G-d did a lot more with this than what I'm sharing as far as the way He manifested Himself in this and involved other believers, which in a way is nearly as astounding as the healing itself, but no, I never had any medical intervention save the tests that showed it, and then didn't show it.
I assume, I don't know I never asked them. I remember one woman had been given 2 months to live with leukemia, and her cell count was horrible. Because of what He did via His presence, she didn't have any doubt that she had been healed. A test 5 days later confirmed that. I have no idea what meds they had her on.
Yes, and no. He set them up to return in glory.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? No, seriously, we don't call on the name of Mohammed, Buddha, or Krishna, for one thing. Assuming you're married, how do you know who it is you're getting in bed with to be intimate with at night if it's so dark you can't see in there? You know their voice, their smell, the feel of their skin and hair, the way they kiss, ect. It's called INTIMACY. Peace
The Muslims, etc.. would say the same about their God(s), that they can tell from these same things. They DO call on their God(s) just as you do but claim that they are healed by them. How can you tell that you aren't and weren't always hearing Allah, or Vishnu, or simply your own brain simulating a voice? Do you have a way of testing it?
You are correct though, I don't know the process. If you have explained this earlier I apologize, but what exactly is the process, if you would take me through it step by step, of how God heals someone through you?
I'm way late to this thread. But the OP doesn't seem to understand what belief. Belief is something that exists in the absence of evidence. For example, I don't need to believe in Australia because there is sufficient proof it exists.
I'm way late to this thread. But the OP doesn't seem to understand what belief. Belief is something that exists in the absence of evidence. For example, I don't need to believe in Australia because there is sufficient proof it exists.
I believe you are referring to "faith". Belief can be based on evidence or faith
Never mind the cancer cure, I think the before and after x-rays of the "crushed" elbow would be quite convincing and easy to provide.
I mean, certainly if person's elbow was "crushed," x-rays would be taken to determine the course of treatment. And surely a 2nd set was taken to confirm the miraculous healing. The medical world would be agog. And Rbbi1 could be scoring YUUUUGE points for her g-d instead of...what she is currently doing.
Except for the fact it happened in the first year of my walk with Him. I had a lot sins/roots, and I pressed in 16 hours a day, 7 days a week in the word and applied it like it was for my life (it was), so I overcame a lot of things FAST. So I had a lot of fruits (sickness/injuries) dealt with just as fast. That year I had my 4 ruptured discs healed overcoming partial paralysis of my left leg in the process, my crushed elbow with it's nerve canal crushed on the nerve which also caused paralysis of the right side of my hand, and my heart healed for the first time. The cancer was after all those, slightly down the road just a bit.
And yes, a second set was done. I actually went to no less than 5 specialists, including one the world's top hand surgeons at the time. I also had a arthurgram (spelling may not be right) on it where they shoot dye into it, and a nerve study. That specialist was the one who told the worker's comp insurance carrier, who was trying to get out of paying my bills after new tests showed NOTHING (even a bone fragment you could see and feel on the outside of the joint, was gone), said and I quote, "I have no explanation for this other than the one the patient gave me, and that is that G-d healed it." They apparently thought the first tests had somehow been compromised in some way or who knows? They just didn't handle good news well.
Oh and I've got a LOT of witnesses for this one. It was the result of an industrial accident. No one but my closest friends could believe I was healed the way I said I was, yet no one could find a surgery scar. And anyway, there was nothing they could do, there were no elbow replacements like there are knee ones. Peace
I believe you are referring to "faith". Belief can be based on evidence or faith
No. Belief is the acceptance that something exists, not the knowledge that something exists. Even if you summon up a handful of facts to support a belief, that does not prove the belief in any way.
Going back to my original point, no one says "I believe in Australia." We know through maps, photos, and personal visits that Australia does indeed exist.
Never mind the cancer cure, I think the before and after x-rays of the "crushed" elbow would be quite convincing and easy to provide.
Quite! Rbbi is a charlatan. There is no doubt in my mind. I claim LfJ.
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The medical world would be agog.
Indeed! Conferences, media interviews, magazine/newspaper articles, world speaking tours, plans for sainthood by the Catholic Church etc...but ...nothing.
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I didn't say it would violate divine will it's a matter of respect of privacy. And as I pointed out, they would be about 31 years old and most doctor's and hospitals don't keep records more than 10 years,
How convenient!
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And you to me when someone born without limbs or looses them have them restored.
BOOM!!
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No, seriously, we don't call on the name of Mohammed, Buddha, or Krishna, for one thing. Assuming you're married, how do you know who it is you're getting in bed with to be intimate with at night if it's so dark you can't see in there? You know their voice, their smell, the feel of their skin and hair, the way they kiss, ect. It's called INTIMACY. Peace
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