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In spite of all the advances in medical science, there are, absolutely, times when there is no alternative available to the use of blood transfusions. Adherents to your religion allow approximately 1000 people to die every year because of a distorted view of your Scripture, yet you come here and post this drivel about "medical advances," while you ignore the deaths. There are several people participating in these forums that count themselves among the people who are alive today because they received blood when they needed it. How do you think they feel when they read your sanctimonious post about "bloodless surgeries?" No two ways about it. You would have let them die. Your position is not even defensible with a clear, objective reading of the Bible, even using your own translation. That Bible passage was addressing eating meat that wasn't prepared properly.
Not 1 mortal on earth can disprove the JW blood teaching. The bible passage was clear--abstain from blood. This isn't the real life--Gods kingdom is the real life.
Many have died shortly after transfusion, or caught--aids, hep c etc-- mortal man errs too much to trust their transfusions. It certainly is not worth gaining a few years now to stand in opposition to Gods will.
When Trinitarians stand on both sides of wars blowing each others heads off--they should fix this log in their eye before they could possibly see to help fix anothers. Everyone on earth that actually knows Jesus, knows 100% he would never condone the brothers in Christ standing against each other in that way--EVER. So by applying Jesus in that situation, one would refuse to stand against their brothers in Christ-everytime-- But have no fear--Jesus' real teachers have already proven that they did exactly that. Yet the blind( those who claim to serve Jesus but throw him away out of fear of men) condemned them and branded them as cowards for listening to Jesus.
Not 1 mortal on earth can disprove the JW blood teaching. The bible passage was clear--abstain from blood. This isn't the real life--Gods kingdom is the real life.
Many have died shortly after transfusion, or caught--aids, hep c etc-- mortal man errs too much to trust their transfusions. It certainly is not worth gaining a few years now to stand in opposition to Gods will.
When Trinitarians stand on both sides of wars blowing each others heads off--they should fix this log in their eye before they could possibly see to help fix anothers. Everyone on earth that actually knows Jesus, knows 100% he would never condone the brothers in Christ standing against each other in that way--EVER. So by applying Jesus in that situation, one would refuse to stand against their brothers in Christ-everytime-- But have no fear--Jesus' real teachers have already proven that they did exactly that. Yet the blind( those who claim to serve Jesus but throw him away out of fear of men) condemned them and branded them as cowards for listening to Jesus.
This, folks, is what being a JW does to your mind.
You do realize, I would hope, that you can get diseases from things other than blood transfusions, right? You claim surgery is okay if it doesn't involve blood (because man errs too much to trust blood apparently), yet you fully trust that all of the instruments, room, and doctors are fully sterilized? This is child-like thinking. It is sad, and I mean truly sad, that people like you can't grow up and think like an adult.
This, folks, is what being a JW does to your mind.
You do realize, I would hope, that you can get diseases from things other than blood transfusions, right? You claim surgery is okay if it doesn't involve blood (because man errs too much to trust blood apparently), yet you fully trust that all of the instruments, room, and doctors are fully sterilized? This is child-like thinking. It is sad, and I mean truly sad, that people like you can't grow up and think like an adult.
Mens use of science is flawed to the core. They have polluted, the water, air and land, huge hole in ozone layer causing havoc weather all over the earth. Being sued left and right for the garbage drugs they sell to the sick and diseased, Yes they have done some good, but way before they figure out that they are destroying Gods earth, it would be destroyed if God' kingdom doesn't come very soon. And it will.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Mens use of science is flawed to the core. They have polluted, the water, air and land, huge hole in ozone layer causing havoc weather all over the earth. Being sued left and right for the garbage drugs they sell to the sick and diseased, Yes they have done some good, but way before they figure out that they are destroying Gods earth, it would be destroyed if God' kingdom doesn't come very soon. And it will.
Science, or man's use of science, did not do those things. Ignorant people did those things. Kind of like the ignorant people who disown family members for not being in their cult, or the ignorant people who would rather their child die a horrible death than receive blood from someone....
Mens use of science is flawed to the core. They have polluted, the water, air and land, huge hole in ozone layer causing havoc weather all over the earth. Being sued left and right for the garbage drugs they sell to the sick and diseased, Yes they have done some good, but way before they figure out that they are destroying Gods earth, it would be destroyed if God' kingdom doesn't come very soon. And it will.
Will you be doing your part to help bring about the End of the World?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Pastor Martin Niemöller
And Putin has already came after other groups. As much as I disagree with the JW, banning them will lead to the banning of other groups. And it is not just in Russia and not only religious groups. You quoted a very strong passage.
I posted a question to the ExMormon forum asking if they have been banned as well. The answer is not yet. Here is what one poster said:No. At least not yet.
However the church does no missionary work in Russia. The missionaries are sent as "volunteers" and pretty much all they do is help run church meetings there, the rest of the time they are basically tourists - out and about to see and be seen, but not interacted with.
One of the reasons cited for banning the JWs in Russia was that the JW church claims to be the only true church created a hostility towards other religions, or words to that effect. This may become a problem for Mormons as well since it is impossible to separate the Mormon claim to be a restored church from it being the only true church and exclusive source of priesthood authority. However Mormons are pro military service and don't have restrictions on health care, so it might be overlooked. Time will tell.
In cases like this usually Churches will back down to be as compliant with the government as possible and it seems the Mormon church is doing that. The Watchtower loves to martyr their flock though and will say that it is a test of loyalty to the creator of the universe himself to obey God's direction via the Watchtower stand up to Satan's Government. I'm going to put together a more comprehensive post later and bring up how the Mormon Church acted in Malawai and how the Watchtower did and what happened. The Watchtower also being fined $4000 a day in the USA for refusing to turn over documents in a child sexual abuse case. From my understanding the documents are a collection of tens of thousands of names of suspected child predators internally investigated. The Watchtower has no problem giving the government the middle finger. The US summoned Governing Body member(1 of 7 who channel God during this time of the end) Gerritt Losch during the Lopez trial for child sexual abuse. They refused.
Known as the Yarovaya Law after Irina Yarovaya, the head of Russia's Parliamentary Committee for Security and Anti-Corruption, it severely restricts "missionary activity" in the country. Under its rules, missionaries of any religion — with the exception of the Russian Orthodox Church — cannot share the doctrines of their faith or hand out any information unless they're inside church buildings officially registered with the government. Even private homes are off limits for religious discussions.
According to the law, it's illegal to carry out "the activity of a religious association, aimed at disseminating information about its beliefs among people who are not participants (members, followers) in that religious association, with the purpose of involving these people as participants (members, followers)." Disobeying can lead to fines of $760 per missionary and $15,500 for the denomination. Missionaries can also be deported, which happened to some of the people in Hemrick's group.
I think it's important to separate the victims from this organization vs the organization in a discussion like this. I believe the only way to help those 170000 Russian Jehovah's Witness's is with resources that can empower them. I fear they will be the ones injured while the Watchtower walks away with some great press.
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