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...and as always, you are being told that 'globally' it isn't increasing. 'Globally', god belief is diminishing - but you keep citing China as if it's the whole frickin' world!
Yes...we've noticed.
It not just China that Christianity is growing but in Africa. 100 years ago there were only a few million people that were Christian. Today at least half of people in Africa are Christian. Sure Christianity is declining in the West, but in East Asia and Africa that is a different story.
I see this argument all the time. Let's face it, a gay couple holding hands walking down the street or kissing in public or on TV is seen as shoving it down people's throats. Straight people do little things all of the time and no one bats an eye. Pride is really the only time people are really out there, and spoiler alert, 95% of the gays there are dressed completely normal. Maybe when heterosexuals are oppressed, disowned, beaten, imprisoned, and executed, they can have their own Hetero Pride parade. Or maybe they could be glad they don't need one.
Again, I agree with your point about the church and LGBT issues not really being compatible, but I'm not going to let this casual homophobia slide.
"Phobia" denotes one who has a fear of something...afraid of it, or that it exists. Homophobia would be a fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
That doesn't describe my view at all.
Though, as per my "tastes", I find same gender sex revolting and disgusting. But, I do not hold any negative view of those who are into it. To each their own.
I find caviar to be revolting and disgusting too. I also know people that think it's the best food ever. I certainly don't hold that against them.
I don't negatively view people that are into sexual activities I find a turn-off.
Many of my co-workers and close friends regularly engage in the activity. I love them all. Scores of them have been guests at my house, and I've lost count of how many have been my lovers. The last thing I have of them is fear.
I am in a rare circumstance...because of one of my business endeavors. I've had people engage in homosexual sex right in front of me...both at my business and at my residence, many THOUSANDS of times. MOF...that will occur before this night is over...maybe more than once.
It is also MY OPINION that porn is debased and depraved...but I realize that it is only my opinion, and not an objective fact.
I KNOW that on a objective moral basis...it is not. My SUBJECTIVE OPINION it is, not withstanding.
Because of all this...I don't have a problem producing and presenting homosexual sex as art/performance art/entertainment. I set my personal view of it all aside.
The real point I was making though...is about Millennials.
They are different...much different from past generations You'd have to go back a couple thousand years to find people that are like them on a sexual basis.
I know there are those that try to claim that this is not typical...but that belies my experience.
I have been in the porn business for over 30 years. NEVER has there been a time where there are so many that want to participate.
They will do anything...and I mean ANYTHING. They even claim they like it...love it, even. Even after all this time in the industry...there are times I will think...you can't find anyone willing to do THAT. WRONG! No problem whatsoever!
And these are not wasted, loser, girls either. They are everyday, young, cute, girls...that are going to school, or looking to earn some extra money, or just see it as work that is available that pays way better than other things.
A girl will be doing it for a few days...next thing you know she brings 2 or 3 or 5 of her pretty friends in, and they are looking to work too.
My current ratio of girls that want to work, to available work, is over 20 to 1.
And the Millennial males. Every 5th or 6th one has hair dyed and styled so he looks like "My Little Pony". They have the skinny jeans & tank top, and talk with the draaaaaaawn out wooooooords, and high voice. They have girlfriends and boyfriends...the girls are the same in that regard.
Most seem stoned or tweaked on sumthin' or other (but they don't get out of hand)...and they are constantly looking at their phone.
They enjoy themselves without issue from those outside their group from what I have seen.
Their attitude, mindset, and the way they conduct themselves is so far removed from most of what would be put forth at a typical Church...it is no wonder so few attend. MOF...I'm surprised that over 1 in 3 still go. Give it another decade...you won't see 1 in 10 there.
It not just China that Christianity is growing but in Africa. 100 years ago there were only a few million people that were Christian. Today at least half of people in Africa are Christian. Sure Christianity is declining in the West, but in East Asia and Africa that is a different story.
Gee, I wonder why* that is?
*No, I do not. At all. Food/Clothing/Shelter/Medication available in exchange for listening to lessons on how spiffy the bible god is. Pretty good deal if your belly is swollen with hunger and your child's eyes are being cleaned by flies.
*No, I do not. At all. Food/Clothing/Shelter/Medication available in exchange for listening to lessons on how spiffy the bible god is. Pretty good deal if your belly is swollen with hunger and your child's eyes are being cleaned by flies.
Not all Africans are starving unlike what the mainstream media likes to portray as you probably believe everything you see about mainstream media on Africa to apply to all Africans. Infact most of the fastest growing economies in the world during last decade has been in Africa. Infact in many African countries there is a growing middle class. Africans tend to be more spiritual people, even if they are not Christian compared to Westerners.
Indonesia is another country that the living standards for an average person is higher than most countries in Africa and even though it is mostly Muslim, still Christianity is certainly growing there in numbers. That the same case as Iran as there been a sharp rise in Christian converts, even though it is illegal to do so there. Also there are no people in China starving to death today unlike 50 years ago, and today China is far more materialistic.
To the OP yes there been a decline in the West of Christianity at the same time Christianity become more widespread around the world outside the West.
Not all Africans are starving unlike what the mainstream media likes to portray as you probably believe everything you see about mainstream media on Africa to apply to all Africans. Infact most of the fastest growing economies in the world during last decade has been in Africa. Infact in many African countries there is a growing middle class. Africans tend to be more spiritual people, even if they are not Christian compared to Westerners.
Indonesia is another country that the living standards for an average person is higher than most countries in Africa and even though it is mostly Muslim, still Christianity is certainly growing there in numbers. That the same case as Iran as there been a sharp rise in Christian converts, even though it is illegal to do so there. Also there are no people in China starving to death today unlike 50 years ago, and today China is far more materialistic.
To the OP yes there been a decline in the West of Christianity at the same time Christianity become more widespread around the world outside the West.
It is. We know that China has a huge atheist majority - because it used to be a Marxist state. Now it isn't and religion is permitted (so long as it doesn't threaten the Ruling Party) and so a lot of people are buying into the religious evangelical packages designed to bamboozle people with crafty arguments and lies. Perhaps that's What's happening in Russia, too. I'm vaguely surprised there isn't a rush to religion in the former Communist -empire, too.
Africa is of course a feritle area for missionary activity, especially for those willing and able to pour billions into it.
We goddless bastards can't compete with that. We only have to provide the arguments for those willing and able to listen and think. We may not be able to stand against a tide of ignorance and disinformation, but we can only battle on.
In the West, at least, the results seem to be encouraging.
It is. We know that China has a huge atheist majority - because it used to be a Marxist state. Now it isn't and religion is permitted (so long as it doesn't threaten the Ruling Party) and so a lot of people are buying into the religious evangelical packages designed to bamboozle people with crafty arguments and lies. Perhaps that's What's happening in Russia, too. I'm vaguely surprised there isn't a rush to religion in the former Communist -empire, too.
Africa is of course a feritle area for missionary activity, especially for those willing and able to pour billions into it.
We goddless bastards can't compete with that. We only have to provide the arguments for those willing and able to listen and think. We may not be able to stand against a tide of ignorance and disinformation, but we can only jibattle on.
In the West, at least, the results seem to be encouraging.
In case you didn't notice...the most significant reasons for the reduction in Church attendance by Millennials (and many of the GenXers and Baby Boomers) has little to do with your arguments.
It is heavily based upon the view and doctrine of the Church on sex (only between a married man & woman, no homosexuality), self-exaltation (be meek), and self-reliance (If a man does not work, neither let him eat).
The lifestyle of the last 50 years...heavy on sexual freedom and epic profligacy---"Look at Me!" centered---Materialism supported by entitlement to the resources of others...is diametrically opposed to the message put forth at a typical Church.
They don't wanna be told, "Get your mind out of your crotch---be meek, humble, and modest---work hard, rely on yourself, neither a borrower or lender be, and help the truly needy."
It has little to do with Atheism (No-Theos) and the belief no God exists.
Not all Africans are starving unlike what the mainstream media likes to portray as you probably believe everything you see about mainstream media on Africa to apply to all Africans. Infact most of the fastest growing economies in the world during last decade has been in Africa. Infact in many African countries there is a growing middle class. Africans tend to be more spiritual people, even if they are not Christian compared to Westerners.
Indonesia is another country that the living standards for an average person is higher than most countries in Africa and even though it is mostly Muslim, still Christianity is certainly growing there in numbers. That the same case as Iran as there been a sharp rise in Christian converts, even though it is illegal to do so there. Also there are no people in China starving to death today unlike 50 years ago, and today China is far more materialistic.
To the OP yes there been a decline in the West of Christianity at the same time Christianity become more widespread around the world outside the West.
Yeah, that's fair comment, but there has to be some reason why the buggers are converting in droves, and the only thing I can think of is that people who murder their kids because they think they are witches and reckon they can disprove evolution theory by simply clearing all the fossil evidence out of the museums and pretending it never existed, are somehow not capable of accessing the evidence that Religion is garbage, pretty much, or, if they can, are unable to muster enough brain -cells to understand the evidence.
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In case you didn't notice...the most significant reasons for the reduction in Church attendance by Millennials (and many of the GenXers and Baby Boomers) has little to do with your arguments.
It is heavily based upon the view and doctrine of the Church on sex (only between a married man & woman, no homosexuality), self-exaltation (be meek), and self-reliance (If a man does not work, neither let him eat).
The lifestyle of the last 50 years...heavy on sexual freedom and epic profligacy---"Look at Me!" centered---Materialism supported by entitlement to the resources of others...is diametrically opposed to the message put forth at a typical Church.
They don't wanna be told, "Get your mind out of your crotch---be meek, humble, and modest---work hard, rely on yourself, neither a borrower or lender be, and help the truly needy."
It has little to do with Atheism (No-Theos) and the belief no God exists.
Thanks Goldnrain, not only for reminding me of the various factors behind the present rise in irreligion in the USA and the projected factors behind it possibly going ballistic in the next year or two, but also of the personal problems you have that fuels your near - Arachnid venomspite against atheism and the (claimed - I really can't believe you are that stupid) espousal of the most idiotic religious crackpot theory since the Raelians.
Have a nice weekend - Mine is off o a great start
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Thanks Goldnrain, not only for reminding me of the various factors behind the present rise in irreligion in the USA and the projected factors behind it possibly going ballistic in the next year or two, but also of the personal problems you have that fuels your near - Arachnid venomspite against atheism and the (claimed - I really can't believe you are that stupid) espousal of the most idiotic religious crackpot theory since the Raelians.
Have a nice weekend - Mine is off o a great start
I have no problem with "irreligion" (not that it bothers me...people can believe, or not believe, whatever they want, as far as I am concerned)...it is the illogical concept that no God exists, and basing that upon a flawed "No Evidence" (when your very existence and all you behold is the empirical evidence) premise, that I attempt to correct you on.
People ditching Church in droves because the message goes against their personal preferences and views is not "stupid" or a "idiotic crackpot theory" (what's with all the ad Hom, Bro?)...it is the fact of the matter.
As usual, you neither understand the point, the logic or yourself. But it doesn't matter, as you and your odd logical fiddle religion don't matter, and your misunderstanding of my post is so apparently fatheaded that I still think you are just winding us up.
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