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Old 05-19-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Such typical rubbish that is always touted by folks with your mindset. The only one who sounds lost here is you...lost to the point of needing to follow a cult religion.

You remind me of the Uber driver who took me to the airport yesterday...he said that god will reward me for being a good daughter to my aging mother. I asked him which god was that? He said the Muslim god. LOL. I told him his god is nothing but another fabricated god created by humans, which is no different from the manufactured Christian god or the 1000's of gods that have been invented by humans since recorded history.
You know the answers to all of life's questions? What stocks should I invest in? Seriously, you know, right? Have you actually investigated geological dating methods? If you have, you'll realize that we don't know much about anything. For example, carbon 14 being found on things that should be much older.

We really don't know much. We are no different than past societies that thought they knew everything, only to find out later that they were wrong. The fact that you don't accept that you don't know the answers, means you are going through life with blinders on.

You see, I don't know what's going to happen when I die or prior to that point because I can't predict the future; however, I do know that an atheist society, assuming that all believe as you do, has no consequences.

You can essentially live your life however you please, as long as it benefits you. And why wouldn't you? Would you shed a tear if people like me who believe in Jesus, (you know, idiots in your mind), were exterminated, so you we could create more balance in society, in terms of resource utilization?

Why would you care? You probably don't even like me now, so what difference would it make to you? I am just like, a parasite. Eating, using resources, essentially, lowering the earth's property value for those who inhabit it.

You should keep an open mind and realize that what you're pushing is unwittingly going to lead to your own demise, yet you're blinded by your bias. Open your mind.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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Your silly god doesn't give a poop about you or any humans.

It says so in your instruction manual, Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

Genesis 6:6New International Version (NIV)

6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.


According to their "holy" text their god regretted "making" all the species on earth. Apparently this god was pretty dumb to not know that humans are animals as well. LOL!

Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."


This god does not give a poop about any creature on this earth. Not to fret god worshipers...this god does not exist. It's only a figment of your imagination.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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You know the answers to all of life's questions? What stocks should I invest in? Seriously, you know, right?
Such a ridiculous presumption that has nothing to do with what I said.
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Have you actually investigated geological dating methods? If you have, you'll realize that we don't know much about anything. For example, carbon 14 being found on things that should be much older.
Yes I have actually studied science...how about you? I would love to know what you *think* you are talking about here. Do you have an example of a *thing* that carbon 14 is found on but is much older?
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YWe really don't know much. We are no different than past societies that thought they knew everything, only to find out later that they were wrong.
Actually we know a heck of a lot more then what you *think* we know. Yes thanks to science we now know that the rubbish that's presented in religions is inaccurate. The bible and all the other religious texts are wrong about most things related to humans and this earth.
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The fact that you don't accept that you don't know the answers, means you are going through life with blinders on.
The fact that you *think* you know all the answers, means that you are going through life with blinders on. I am honest enough to say that I don't know what happens when we die...in fact no one knows for sure what exactly happens. If anyone claims otherwise then they are simply delusional or disingenuous.
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however, I do know that an atheist society, assuming that all believe as you do, has no consequences.
More rubbish from folks with your mindset. We have more then enough evidence to bust your silly myth touting. I suggest you read the Successful Societies Scale study and learn a few facts about non-secular societies and how much better off they are.
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You can essentially live your life however you please, as long as it benefits you. And why wouldn't you?
That's right why wouldn't I live by my standards? They are much higher then most folks, especially those folks who only believe in a false god because they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed into thinking they are evil sinners and the only way to dodge that label is to believe in a false god.

I don't need a false god to hide behind...I was not born an evil sinner nor does my life reflect that of one.
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Would you shed a tear if people like me who believe in Jesus, (you know, idiots in your mind), were exterminated, so you we could create more balance in society, in terms of resource utilization?
I would like you to show me where I said anyone who believes in Jesus is an idiot.
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Why would you care? You probably don't even like me now, so what difference would it make to you? I am just like, a parasite. Eating, using resources, essentially, lowering the earth's property value for those who inhabit it.
Why would I care about what? If you are talking about people who are pushing their religious agenda on society, then I do care about that. Interesting comment about humans being the parasite on earth...it's pretty oblivious that humans are indeed this. You can't point the finger at any other animal species on this earth who has caused as much damage and destruction to this earth as well as to each other including other animal species, then what the human species as done.
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You should keep an open mind and realize that what you're pushing is unwittingly going to lead to your own demise, yet you're blinded by your bias.
Pushing the truth will never lead a soul to demise. When a person can't handle the truth or refuses to accept the truth, then it's them who is wasting their life on this planet.
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Open your mind.
My mind is open which is why I don't follow cults.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Such a ridiculous presumption that has nothing to do with what I said.
Yes I have actually studied science...how about you? I would love to know what you *think* you are talking about here. Do you have an example of a *thing* that carbon 14 is found on but is much older?
Actually we know a heck of a lot more then what you *think* we know. Yes thanks to science we now know that the rubbish that's presented in religions is inaccurate. The bible and all the other religious texts are wrong about most things related to humans and this earth.
The fact that you *think* you know all the answers, means that you are going through life with blinders on. I am honest enough to say that I don't know what happens when we die...in fact no one knows for sure what exactly happens. If anyone claims otherwise then they are simply delusional or disingenuous.
More rubbish from folks with your mindset. We have more then enough evidence to bust your silly myth touting. I suggest you read the Successful Societies Scale study and learn a few facts about non-secular societies and how much better off they are.
That's right why wouldn't I live by my standards? They are much higher then most folks, especially those folks who only believe in a false god because they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed into thinking they are evil sinners and the only way to dodge that label is to believe in a false god.

I don't need a false god to hide behind...I was not born an evil sinner nor does my life reflect that of one.
I would like you to show me where I said anyone who believes in Jesus is an idiot.
Why would I care about what? If you are talking about people who are pushing their religious agenda on society, then I do care about that. Interesting comment about humans being the parasite on earth...it's pretty oblivious that humans are indeed this. You can't point the finger at any other animal species on this earth who has caused as much damage and destruction to this earth as well as to each other including other animal species, then what the human species as done.
Pushing the truth will never lead a soul to demise. When a person can't handle the truth or refuses to accept the truth, then it's them who is wasting their life on this planet.
My mind is open which is why I don't follow cults.
Wow girl, you said a lot without addressing any of my points. Let's just slow it down for a moment. Let's slow it way down.

Alright, first of all, I'm not going to provide you with examples because if you're such an advocate of science, you should trust, but verify. This means it's up to you to determine if what I said is accurate. I'm going to say more things that you should also verify if you are interested. If not, that's fine too.

Often, we don't want to change our opinions about things. Like for example, I was invested in a casino that had the lowest cost provider competitive advantage, I assumed because I wasn't educated enough about the competition, and I didn't verify the claim. Now, luckily I did very well during my holding period, but during that time despite the information I read that was contrary to my belief, I didn't want to sell because I was felt so secure in my foundation. Fortunately, I had an open mind and I thought through the process and I was able to sell at a profit.

My point is, I don't know the truth, but I do know what was written in the Gospel by Jesus is righteous. Can you debate that point? For me to believe otherwise is selfish. So at the very least, I recognize his words as a way I could live my life and do the least amount of harm and the most good to society.

So, that alone, is valuable. That alone is great for society because of the path that I've chosen to live by, or at the very least the understanding of core fundamental values that I should perpetuate so that others can also do less harm and more good.

But do I know what happens when I die? Of course not. How can I? How can you? What do you have that I don't have that gives you the ability to see into the future?

What I do know is that if you believe there is no afterlife, then ultimately there is no accountability for your life today. You can essentially do anything you want, as long as you can get away with it, without consequence.

For you to believe that there are people who won't take advantage of this is illogical. In fact, depending on the factors involved, it could be very logical to someone to undertake a strategy that involves masses of people dying. We do it all the time. It's called war.

Look at what we do for the petro-dollar. Look at the Syria situation. Assad has two options, he can make a deal with the Qatari's and build a pipeline that will go through his country and be offloaded into Turkey and sold in USD or he can accept the Iranian deal where the pipeline would be offloaded in Syrian territory and sold in a basket currency, with help in development from the Russians.

It doesn't take much critical thinking to guess which one he chose, which is precisely why the US wants to kill him and his family. Why? Because of the petro-dollar. You see, commodities are priced in dollars, so when demand for a certain commodity rises, the demand for dollars rises. This keeps the US and US companies on top. But at the end of the day, we murder, we kill for money and power.

What makes you think that one day you won't be murdered? I mean, if the people in charge were true Christians, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to go to war because Jesus tells us to love our enemies. I'm not sure why you are so vigilant against something like that?

Let me give you another example. You see, in statistics there is something called tail events. Tail events are often events that are difficult to be measured. They're unexpected events. They represent risk.

I've given some examples of tail events, such as an impending financial crisis that could end up consolidating all the banks. You, see because despite the petro-dollar there are other existential risks that could negatively affect those with much to lose. I won't get into any of that because it's not necessary, but there are some factors that could contribute to the consolidation of the banking industry.

But let's forget financial risks. Let's say there is an environmental risks. If you are as well read as you think you are, you will find that there are many societies in the past that also believed they are at the peak of intelligence, yet due to tail risks, they destroyed their environment, starved, and their society collapsed.

Genocides have occurred in the past and they will occur again in the future. For you not to believe that something like this can happen is ignorance. Now they say ignorance is bliss, but I prefer to know my risk factors. Perhaps, this is what separates us.

What do you think is going to happen? Do you think you will live forever? Is that even desirable? Are you betting on technological singularity? Are you afraid to die?
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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What do they say?

Be good or be good at it.

You know who said that? Lil Wayne, but wow is that profound or what?
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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I understand that it's easy to reject the words of Christ because it almost impossible to make it into Heaven. This is particularly true for those that are wealthy and powerful.

Atheism means there is ultimately no personal responsibility. It means there are no consequences for how you lived your life on earth. It means there is no justice.

You see, governments turn on people. They've done it all throughout history. How many times have genocides occurred? How many times have we gone to war?

Christs tells us to love our enemies. If all adhered to the words of Christ, there would be no wars, no anger, no hostility, but only peace and harmony.

However, the flaw in Christianity is that it is only as strong as it's weakest link, which is why it will always be doomed to failure.

So, perhaps soon, after a liquidity crisis causes banks to consolidate, the power structure will be more concentrated. We can only assume that there is an increasing probability that those in power will be less likely to believe in the Christian God and the consequences that come with it. It's easy that way.

So what happens when automation makes 99% of jobs obsolete? Do you believe that the government will provide for its people? Why would it do this? Why would people be altruistic? Why should they be?

Remember, there are no consequences. There is no fundamental justice. Maybe justice is decreasing the population. What a terrible existence and you are all unwittingly contributing to your own demise.

No accountability. What a terrible world that lies ahead.

But to be an atheist, is freedom. No consequences. No justice.



Wealth DOES have a great deal to do with everything, and although many Christians will jump on the wealth doctrine, it is still wrong. None of them will ever know what it means to be wealthy and then to give that wealth away because it is so addicting, it is too hard for them, but after somebody does it, they find a much greater wealth than they could have ever accumulated in Gold.


Even if you believe in God, if you are not committed, you may as well go for wealth yourself, but walking with Jesus and taking up your cross is not to make yourself wealthy. Husbands and wives sold houses to give the money to widows, they sold businesses and gave up everything in their search for a better resurrection, and there was one couple who sold their house but held just a little back for themselves, and what could be the harm in that? Yet, they lay dead in the threshold, the both of them law dead after they had sold their house and given almost all the money to the treasury of the disciples.


Man cannot serve money and God at the same time.



What kind of God would allow mankind to destroy the Earth?


Wonder how many people there were when the flood came?


We are up to like 7 billion people right now and this Earth cannot sustain 5 billion. Being that I am such a bible freak, I can only believe that these are the last days just because there are so many people. Even if I didn't believe in God, I would think that nature would correct what man is trying to destroy and then cull us as needed.


But I do believe these are the last days and that is why there are so many people on this Earth, I believe that Messiah came four days after Adam, and that Messiah went back to his place, but the days of Messiah coming to teach the secrets of Torah are 2000 years, and at the end of these two thousand years, there comes a time of great understanding and this could easily be proved to be happening right now. There hasn't been any other time in history that man has had his hands on all the information of the earth. You can study anything you want and knowledge has increased just as Daniel said it would in the last days.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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Wow girl, you said a lot without addressing any of my points. Let's just slow it down for a moment. Let's slow it way down.
I suggest you learn how to follow along in forums. I addressed every single point of yours quote per quote.
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Alright, first of all, I'm not going to provide you with examples because if you're such an advocate of science, you should trust, but verify. This means it's up to you to determine if what I said is accurate. I'm going to say more things that you should also verify if you are interested. If not, that's fine too.
You won't provide what you made claims for because you and I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The person making the claim is the one who needs to substantiate their claim. You can't substantiate it because you don't know or understand science.
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Fortunately, I had an open mind and I thought through the process and I was able to sell at a profit.
This title of your Thread shows how closed minded you are. You only *think* you are open minded...when in fact you're not.
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My point is, I don't know the truth, but I do know what was written in the Gospel by Jesus is righteous. Can you debate that point?
No you do not know what was written by Jesus since that rubbish was written 200 years after his supposed existence. Jesus did not write any of it. You don't even know who wrote the book you worship. LOL not surprised.
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For me to believe otherwise is selfish.
That's merely your closed minded opinion. There is nothing selfish about knowing the facts or the truth.
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So at the very least, I recognize his words as a way I could live my life and do the least amount of harm and the most good to society.
Why only his words? Why not Buddha's words? Why not Mohammad's words? Why not Paramahansa Yogananda's words? It's because you have an unopened mind and chose to view the world through a very narrow lens.
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So, that alone, is valuable. That alone is great for society because of the path that I've chosen to live by, or at the very least the understanding of core fundamental values that I should perpetuate so that others can also do less harm and more good.
So in other words you can't figure it out for yourself...people like you need religion to keep yourself in line...that says a lot about your weakness as a human as well as the fact you have no moral compass. Religion has done more harm then good on this earth. I suggest you study the history of it.
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But do I know what happens when I die? Of course not. How can I? How can you? What do you have that I don't have that gives you the ability to see into the future?
I never claimed to know...go back and re-read my post.
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What I do know is that if you believe there is no afterlife, then ultimately there is no accountability for your life today. You can essentially do anything you want, as long as you can get away with it, without consequence.
That's your reality, not mine. Your logic is so limited and narrow that this is the only view you can grasp..your view is flat out wrong.
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For you to believe that there are people who won't take advantage of this is illogical. In fact, depending on the factors involved, it could be very logical to someone to undertake a strategy that involves masses of people dying. We do it all the time. It's called war
Yep such as the Christians Crusades. You clearly need a history lesson or two.
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But at the end of the day, we murder, we kill for money and power.
"We"? No only some kill for money and power, some kill for the thrill of it, some kill out of rage or revenge, some kill for religious reasons. We all don't kill. You really need to open your mind.
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What makes you think that one day you won't be murdered? I mean, if the people in charge were true Christians, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to go to war because Jesus tells us to love our enemies. I'm not sure why you are so vigilant against something like that?
Have you ever head of the Christian Crusades?
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Let me give you another example. You see, in statistics there is something called tail events. Tail events are often events that are difficult to be measured. They're unexpected events. They represent risk.

I've given some examples of tail events, such as an impending financial crisis that could end up consolidating all the banks. You, see because despite the petro-dollar there are other existential risks that could negatively affect those with much to lose. I won't get into any of that because it's not necessary, but there are some factors that could contribute to the consolidation of the banking industry.

But let's forget financial risks. Let's say there is an environmental risks. If you are as well read as you think you are, you will find that there are many societies in the past that also believed they are at the peak of intelligence, yet due to tail risks, they destroyed their environment, starved, and their society collapsed.
I don't need you to school me on statistics or the banking industry or what causes financial collapse. If you want to understand what causes societies to collapse just look at the ones where religion dominate. Read up on the Golden Ages and what caused the fall it it. The US is heading straight down this path due to high levels of science illiteracy and anti-science stance promoted by religious fundamentalists.
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Genocides have occurred in the past and they will occur again in the future. For you not to believe that something like this can happen is ignorance.
You are just like another poster here...you ascribe positions to me that I don't hold.
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Now they say ignorance is bliss, but I prefer to know my risk factors. Perhaps, this is what separates us.
You only *think* you prefer to know your risk factors...when in fact you don't. Yes this is certainly what separates us.
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What do you think is going to happen? Do you think you will live forever? Is that even desirable?
I already answered this in my previous post. PLEASE DO try to keep up.
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Are you betting on technological singularity? Are you afraid to die?
No and NO!
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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Wow girl
Show some respect. You are under no obligation to respect someone's ideas, but if you consider yourself a Christian you should respect other people.

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Alright, first of all, I'm not going to provide you with examples because if you're such an advocate of science, you should trust, but verify. This means it's up to you to determine if what I said is accurate. I'm going to say more things that you should also verify if you are interested. If not, that's fine too.
This isn't an okay way to argue. There's a lot of similar arguments such as:

"You'll understand when you're older" / "You're not old enough to understand"
"No true Scotsman would ever do X"

The similarity here is that it's an argument that allows you to never be wrong. When you're wrong it's really the other person who's wrong. You can't provide examples, so it's the other person who's wrong for not finding examples. If they are unable to locate your examples, then they are simply not a real scientist, right?

That's not how you argue a point. You provide your evidence and your conclusion. You don't give someone a conclusion and tell them to find their own evidence...

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My point is, I don't know the truth, but I do know what was written in the Gospel by Jesus is righteous. Can you debate that point? For me to believe otherwise is selfish. So at the very least, I recognize his words as a way I could live my life and do the least amount of harm and the most good to society.
This is another completely invalid way to argue. You can't go from "I don't really know what I'm saying" to "It's selfish to not agree". It seems ridiculous to ask someone to debate a point that you've just admitted you can't defend.

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So, that alone, is valuable. That alone is great for society because of the path that I've chosen to live by, or at the very least the understanding of core fundamental values that I should perpetuate so that others can also do less harm and more good.
Typical pro-religion arguments tend to follow one of two tracks in my experience. Religion because it's true or religion because it's useful.

I mentioned this before but it seems like you might not have saw it. It is actually not normal to require a divine being to keep from raping, pillaging and committing suicide. If you truly, actually believe that your belief in God is all that's keeping you from those things, then I encourage you to seek professional help. That's really, really, not normal and could potentially be avoided.

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For you to believe that there are people who won't take advantage of this is illogical. In fact, depending on the factors involved, it could be very logical to someone to undertake a strategy that involves masses of people dying. We do it all the time. It's called war.
Prepare yourself. Darwin proposed an explanation for morality a long time ago and I tend to think he's correct.

I don't know your stance on evolution, but pretend for a second that evolution is correct and over the course of many generations, favorable traits tend to fare better than not. Would you really, truly expect traits that cause people to murder and kill for nothing but personal gain to stick around? No, of course not. You'd expect those traits to die off in favor of traits that allow people to work together and survive.

The roots of morality are easily explained with evolution. What this means for your hypothesis is that it would not make sense and is illogical for the absence of a god to throw people into disarray and make them start murdering and raping and looting.

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But let's forget financial risks. Let's say there is an environmental risks. If you are as well read as you think you are, you will find that there are many societies in the past that also believed they are at the peak of intelligence, yet due to tail risks, they destroyed their environment, starved, and their society collapsed.

Genocides have occurred in the past and they will occur again in the future. For you not to believe that something like this can happen is ignorance. Now they say ignorance is bliss, but I prefer to know my risk factors. Perhaps, this is what separates us.

What do you think is going to happen? Do you think you will live forever? Is that even desirable? Are you betting on technological singularity? Are you afraid to die?
Not sure how any of this gets you to your conclusion but I agree that these are things to look out for and could happen again.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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I suggest you learn how to follow along in forums. I addressed every single point of yours quote per quote.
You won't provide what you made claims for because you and I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The person making the claim is the one who needs to substantiate their claim. You can't substantiate it because you don't know or understand science.
This title of your Thread shows how closed minded you are. You only *think* you are open minded...when in fact you're not.
No you do not know what was written by Jesus since that rubbish was written 200 years after his supposed existence. Jesus did not write any of it. You don't even know who wrote the book you worship. LOL not surprised.
That's merely your closed minded opinion. There is nothing selfish about knowing the facts or the truth.
Why only his words? Why not Buddha's words? Why not Mohammad's words? Why not Paramahansa Yogananda's words? It's because you have an unopened mind and chose to view the world through a very narrow lens.
So in other words you can't figure it out for yourself...people like you need religion to keep yourself in line...that says a lot about your weakness as a human as well as the fact you have no moral compass. Religion has done more harm then good on this earth. I suggest you study the history of it.
I never claimed to know...go back and re-read my post.
That's your reality, not mine. Your logic is so limited and narrow that this is the only view you can grasp..your view is flat out wrong.
Yep such as the Christians Crusades. You clearly need a history lesson or two.
"We"? No only some kill for money and power, some kill for the thrill of it, some kill out of rage or revenge, some kill for religious reasons. We all don't kill. You really need to open your mind.
Have you ever head of the Christian Crusades?
I don't need you to school me on statistics or the banking industry or what causes financial collapse. If you want to understand what causes societies to collapse just look at the ones where religion dominate. Read up on the Golden Ages and what caused the fall it it. The US is heading straight down this path due to high levels of science illiteracy and anti-science stance promoted by religious fundamentalists.
You are just like another poster here...you ascribe positions to me that I don't hold.
You only *think* you prefer to know your risk factors...when in fact you don't. Yes this is certainly what separates us.
I already answered this in my previous post. PLEASE DO try to keep up.
No and NO!
Listen, I don't respond to you the same way you respond to me because I prefer to speak to you in paragraph form, as if I'm telling a short story, and addressing the points I feel were important when making my own points.

I feel like you completely ignore everything I say and repeat the same things over and over and over again. I wish you would just speak to me like an adult and address all your points at once, and give me something to think about beyond what you already said.

You talk about the Christian Crusades, but Christ is the foundation of Christianity. If Christ instructs us to love your enemies, than how can one represent Christ through war and murder? It's not possible.

I've been telling you refute the righteousness in the words of Christ, which are located in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but instead you completely ignore this, and focus on points that are completely irrelevant based on what I said.

I laid down the foundation for my argument, but you keep getting caught offsides. That's a penalty. Right now, I am penalizing you for not reading what someone else has to say before responding with your own points.

By the way, I find it very respectable for you to be taking care of your mother. It doesn't matter what you believe, that's a respectable human characteristic. I will say that it is also something that is perpetuated by Christ, which is why I say if you have a Christian foundation, you will do the least amount of harm possible.

The problem is, that it's hard to be righteous. I'm not righteous, I just acknowledge and understand what is because everything written requires you to be selfless if you were to follow it. Our society is not selfless, but the opposite. We are obsessed with self. This is why a society can be potentially dangerous because if one feels threatened, they may do things inconsistent with the words of Christ to obtain their needs, even if it offends another.

That's human nature. Human natures tends to favor self preservation. Christianity on the other hand requires selflessness even when self preservation is at stake. Even if you don't believe in the story of Christ, you must at least respect the character portrayed in leadership.

What other leader do you know that confided in their convictions even if it led to their own demise? Jesus loved his enemies until the very end. He made that ultimate sacrifice to give his life for ours.

To be Christian is not to take life, but to give it. I do not speak on behalf of Christians nor does my personal character represent them, but I know my salvation because I believe in justice and I know that only through Christ, the acts of selflessness, can we truly obtain peace and harmony and set the foundation for a sustainable and prosperous society.

Now, if you have an argument for this, please just write to me like you're telling me a story. Please make it compelling though, as I don't have time to read what appears to be the same thing repeated over and over again, without addressing what I wrote.
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What do they say?

Be good or be good at it.

You know who said that? Lil Wayne, but wow is that profound or what?
Would you settle for "I'm ok..and sorta reasonable at it"?
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