Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 11-27-2018, 11:24 AM
 
63,446 posts, read 39,695,513 times
Reputation: 7787

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER View Post
Your persistent nitpicking about definitions in order to find an excuse to ignore my actual argument at least explains why you are taking such an implacable and mindless bigot as Arach as some kind of mentor.
What you call nitpicking is an attempt to prevent the widespread rejection of the Jesus narrative as deliberately fabricated fiction having no basis at all in fact as so many of your cohorts do, Arq. The difference is important, not trivial.

 
Old 11-27-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
50,079 posts, read 20,495,373 times
Reputation: 5927
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
What you call nitpicking is an attempt to prevent the widespread rejection of the Jesus narrative as deliberately fabricated fiction having no basis at all in fact as so many of your cohorts do, Arq. The difference is important, not trivial.
It is trivial, irrelevant and evasive. If you don't see that I am taking the narrative as intended to be reports of what Jesus did and presenting valid arguments (indeed i'd say undeniable to anyone without eyes shut and fingers in their eras) as to not only that they were often invented but how and why, and that talk of fiction is merely an excuse not to listen, then...well it comes as no surprise to any here who have seen your characteristic shoehorning or hi -jacking of any discussion into peddling your own Pet Theory and loftily deprecating anyone who dares to dissent.
 
Old 11-27-2018, 11:42 AM
 
21,893 posts, read 19,038,087 times
Reputation: 18007
fiction and embellishment are the same thing
as evidenced by MPDs own use of the terms "magic" "superstition" and "magical thinking" as deprecatory

he is unwilling and unable to clarify what those terms mean to him in his own usage, because then his own "magic" "superstition" and "magical thinking" are revealed to be exactly that which he rejects and denigrates in others

em·bel·lish·ment
NOUN
a detail, especially one that is not true, added to a statement or story to make it more interesting or entertaining.
 
Old 11-27-2018, 11:51 AM
 
63,446 posts, read 39,695,513 times
Reputation: 7787
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER View Post
It is trivial, irrelevant and evasive. If you don't see that I am taking the narrative as intended to be reports of what Jesus did and presenting valid arguments (indeed I'd say undeniable to anyone without eyes shut and fingers in their eras) as to not only that they were often invented but how and why, and that talk of fiction is merely an excuse not to listen, then...well it comes as no surprise to any here who have seen your characteristic shoehorning or hijacking of any discussion into peddling your own Pet Theory and loftily deprecating anyone who dares to dissent.
It is NOT trivial, irrelevant and evasive. There is a huge difference between the recording of an actual person and events by primitive, ignorant, and superstitious ancients prone to embellishment and hyperbole and deliberate fiction based entirely on imagination. You proffer the latter because you are "peddling your own Pet Theory."
 
Old 11-27-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
50,079 posts, read 20,495,373 times
Reputation: 5927
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
It is NOT trivial, irrelevant and evasive. There is a huge difference between the recording of an actual person and events by primitive, ignorant, and superstitious ancients prone to embellishment and hyperbole and deliberate fiction based entirely on imagination. You proffer the latter because you are "peddling your own Pet Theory."
You are still harping on an irrelevant distinction as a (pretty obvious now) pretext for dismissing the evidence of fabrication in the Gospel account. Particularly in what is widely recognised as a Roman execution for rebellion (whether it is claimed that was trumped -up charge or not), because you want to peddle your pet theory which is itself a fabrication based on the Christian sacrifice -fantasy. Pretty obvious really - as is your projection of your own faith -based fantasy -building onto me.
 
Old 11-27-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
17,071 posts, read 10,826,320 times
Reputation: 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER View Post
You are still harping on an irrelevant distinction as a (pretty obvious now) pretext for dismissing the evidence of fabrication in the Gospel account. Particularly in what is widely recognised as a Roman execution for rebellion (whether it is claimed that was trumped -up charge or not), because you want to peddle your pet theory which is itself a fabrication based on the Christian sacrifice -fantasy. Pretty obvious really - as is your projection of your own faith -based fantasy -building onto me.
No, he is not. Mystic freely grants that the story was embellished and is pointing out that this is irrelevant to the actual existence AND more importantly the message of Jesus.
 
Old 11-27-2018, 01:15 PM
 
21,893 posts, read 19,038,087 times
Reputation: 18007
Quote:
Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
No, he is not. Mystic freely grants that the story was embellished and is pointing out that this is irrelevant to the actual existence AND more importantly the message of Jesus.
"freely grants that the story was embellished" = fiction
= magical thinking
= superstition
= magic

also = primitive and ignorant
again, the point is ------> we are simply applying the standards by which MPD judges others, to his own views.
 
Old 11-27-2018, 01:31 PM
 
63,446 posts, read 39,695,513 times
Reputation: 7787
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
"freely grants that the story was embellished" = fiction
also = primitive and ignorant again, the point is ------> we are simply applying the standards by which MPD judges others, to his own views.
Embellished does NOT = fiction. It = embellished for impact or hyperbole for emphasis. Fiction makes no claims to ANY factual basis. I have no argument with "it is primitive and ignorant or superstitious."
 
Old 11-27-2018, 01:33 PM
 
21,893 posts, read 19,038,087 times
Reputation: 18007
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
Embellished does NOT = fiction. It = embellished for impact or hyperbole for emphasis. Fiction makes no claims to ANY factual basis. I have no argument with "it is primitive and ignorant or superstitious."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
em·bel·lish·ment
noun
a detail, especially one that is not true, added to a statement or story to make it more interesting or entertaining.
not true = fiction
 
Old 11-27-2018, 01:56 PM
 
63,446 posts, read 39,695,513 times
Reputation: 7787
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
not true = fiction
Fiction refers to the entire narrative, NOT specific individual details and involves the motive of the writer in presenting the entire narrative. Non-fiction can and frequently does contain things that are not true without making the entire work Fiction.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top