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Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."
I had one of those DNA tests done to see all the places where I had ancestors.
Strangely, 17% of my DNA came back as lion DNA.
I thought someone must have sneezed on the sample and messed up my test results.
But now ... now it makes perfect sense ...
And why do I keep having cravings for raw gazelle meat?
may be some one witnessed the events and transmitted and may be it is fabricated ,
at least be neutral.
Which means it is worthless as evidence of anything. In order to produce a crumb of relevance to topic, TT's excuse "Maybe someone witnessed it' reminds me of an old Biblical apologetic for 'how somebody knew'. In fact I supplied the apologetic myself in the old days when I suspected that the crucifixion and resurrection accounts were true, and it looked like Nicodemus and Arimathea were hearing everything that went on in the Sanhedrin, so that was how they knew what Caiaphas had said (11.47).
The 'debriefing' apologetic is a good one, if a bit kneejerk, ad hoc and poorly thought -through. The explanation of how the gospels knew what Jesus had done and said in the garden of Gethsemane when they were all asleep is explained - Jesus told them in the 40 day slideshow lecture series after he had resurrected.
This doesn't make Luke's strengthening angel anything more than invention, but it does mean that the excuse for discrepancy is 'eyewitness' collapses. They all ought to have compared notes, and for the synoptics to be unaware of Lazarus, Mark and Matthew to be unaware of the attempted killing at Nazareth and for John to be unaware of the transfiguration, does not work.
If the 'somebody told them afterwards' argument is fielded, then all excuses for serious discrepancy collapses. They all should know of the massacre of innocents or opening toimbs. They should all know of the penitent thief or Jesus appearing to the women as they rushed away from the tomb. They should all know of Antipas' involvement in the trial of Jesus. That they don't is another hefty bit of proof that it was all invented.
I hardly even need mention the Quran, which has made such a dismal showing, despite TT's best and gobsmackingly blinkered efforts, but that there is so much demonstrably false about the gospels, but the Quran doesn't pick up any of that, but just attacks the Gospels on Dogmatic grounds and using plonking Faith -claims "God would not do this" - "That is a lie" without a scrap of validation, really means that it is yet more evidence that it was a made up religious book with not an atom of validity.
Out mate Teller can save wearing his fingers out; he is losing all his argument, even though he would rather be cut in little pieces than admit it.
Which means it is worthless as evidence of anything. In order to produce a crumb of relevance to topic, TT's excuse "Maybe someone witnessed it' reminds me of an old Biblical apologetic for 'how somebody knew'. In fact I supplied the apologetic myself in the old days when I suspected that the crucifixion and resurrection accounts were true, and it looked like Nicodemus and Arimathea were hearing everything that went on in the Sanhedrin, so that was how they knew what Caiaphas had said (11.47).
The 'debriefing' apologetic is a good one, if a bit kneejerk, ad hoc and poorly thought -through. The explanation of how the gospels knew what Jesus had done and said in the garden of Gethsemane when they were all asleep is explained - Jesus told them in the 40 day slideshow lecture series after he had resurrected.
This doesn't make Luke's strengthening angel anything more than invention, but it does mean that the excuse for discrepancy is 'eyewitness' collapses. They all ought to have compared notes, and for the synoptics to be unaware of Lazarus, Mark and Matthew to be unaware of the attempted killing at Nazareth and for John to be unaware of the transfiguration, does not work.
If the 'somebody told them afterwards' argument is fielded, then all excuses for serious discrepancy collapses. They all should know of the massacre of innocents or opening toimbs. They should all know of the penitent thief or Jesus appearing to the women as they rushed away from the tomb. They should all know of Antipas' involvement in the trial of Jesus. That they don't is another hefty bit of proof that it was all invented.
I hardly even need mention the Quran, which has made such a dismal showing, despite TT's best and gobsmackingly blinkered efforts, but that there is so much demonstrably false about the gospels, but the Quran doesn't pick up any of that, but just attacks the Gospels on Dogmatic grounds and using plonking Faith -claims "God would not do this" - "That is a lie" without a scrap of validation, really means that it is yet more evidence that it was a made up religious book with not an atom of validity.
Out mate Teller can save wearing his fingers out; he is losing all his argument, even though he would rather be cut in little pieces than admit it.
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Originally Posted by Tired of the Nonsense
"may be it is fabricated ," is a very reasonable conclusion.
that story was from the history and it can be fabricated
but there are many things about Jesus from the Quran and that is true 100%
and I am trying my best to highlight the evidences in the Quran
and I am struggling to save you and save those who heard about Mahammad but refuse to follow him or believe in him
And when I inspired the disciples, (saying):
Believe in Me and in My messenger,
they said: We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee) "we are muslims".
When the disciples said:
O Jesus, son of Mary! Is thy Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?
He said: Observe your duty to Allah, if ye are true believers.
(They said We wish to eat thereof, that we may satisfy our hearts
and know that thou hast spoken truth to us, and that thereof we may be witnesses.
Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us! Send down for us a table spread with food from heaven,
that it may be a feast for us, for the first of us and for the last of us, and a sign from Thee.
Give us sustenance, for Thou art the Best of Sustainers.
Allah said: Lo! I send it down for you.
And whoso disbelieveth of you afterward, him surely will I punish with a punishment wherewith I have not punished any of (My) creatures The Holy Quran.
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