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Old 08-22-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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yes I did but that does not mean stop getting the cure

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
Allah has sent down the disease and the cure,
and has made for every disease the cure.
So treat sickness, but do not use anything haraam’
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
Treat sickness, for Allah has not created any disease except He has also created the cure,
except for one disease.”
They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is it?”
He said: “Old age.”’”
This does not contradict putting one’s trust in Allah
and this trust is not complete without resorting to the means which Allah has set out in order for us to achieve results both according to His decree and His laws .
If Allah would heal Shirina, would that be because it was Allah's will?
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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And people's living in estuaries long before Mohammed certainly would have known about the mixing of fresh and salt water, maybe thousands of years before he lived..
the gravity was there thousands of years before Isaac Newton
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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If Allah would heal Shirina, would that be because it was Allah's will?
And if Allah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He,
and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things. The Holy Quran

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
Take away the pain, O Lord of mankind,
and grant healing,
for You are the Healer,
and there is no healing but Your healing that leaves no trace of sickness.
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Old 08-22-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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the gravity was there thousands of years before Isaac Newton
Science doesn't make up stuff in the real world, it finds out how it works and how best to describe it. Your Newton comment is meaningless in any way. The effects of gravity are over 13 billions old, much longer than any beliefs in gods, longer than humans, before the dinosaurs and before there was even an Earth. But before Newton no one that we know of knew what was the force that made things fall and planets to remain in their orbits. Did Allah explain the forces of gravity?
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Old 08-22-2017, 11:32 PM
 
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. Did Allah explain the forces of gravity?

Please see post #89 http://www.city-data.com/forum/49273094-post89.html
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:32 AM
 
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another evidence

This is an end of stars life as it was taken from Nasa Hubble Telescope.
it look s like a rose the sky will look like a rose like paint and that is mentioned in the Holy Quran.
Then when the heaven is rent asunder, and it becomes rosy or red like red-oil, or red hide
The Holy Quran.
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:39 AM
 
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another evidence

This is an end of stars life as it was taken from Nasa Hubble Telescope.
it look s like a rose the sky will look like a rose like paint and that is mentioned in the Holy Quran.
Then when the heaven is rent asunder, and it becomes rosy or red like red-oil, or red hide
The Holy Quran.
lets see.

a dude wrote down what some angle told him. basically, I stop there. I am ok with addressing each thing they say as valid or invalid at that point, but just because they make sense doesn't mean I have to toss common sense to the wind because that man either lied or was a serious sociopath or a pathological.

also, they saw the end of the day with red skies. so a rosy red matches observation. "red" as part of roy-g-biv will also mean that we see it in many areas that are losing energy. Again, just another very smart person using what he knew to make prediction 'end of day reds' so 'end times red".

also, the end wont be red, it will be less energetic and longer wavelength. so he is technically wrong. "red" is just part of the over processes and you chose, like other people of fiath about a god belief statement (god and no god), parts that make your case and shun (I mean ignore) parts that don't.

finally. Those images are processed. That means somebody picks and chooses filters for the image based on what they are looking for. What does it look in visible range? if you were traveling towards it?

it looks more white if I am correct.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...03568196555126

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Old 08-23-2017, 05:44 AM
 
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There have been over 100 posts about your " unquestionable evidences" and, so far, every one of them has indeed been questioned. If they were in fact unquestionable, how is that possible?
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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another evidence

This is an end of stars life as it was taken from Nasa Hubble Telescope.
it look s like a rose the sky will look like a rose like paint and that is mentioned in the Holy Quran.
Then when the heaven is rent asunder, and it becomes rosy or red like red-oil, or red hide
The Holy Quran.
Rather like the "knocking star" argument, that this particular photo happens to have been printed in red (in actuality, through the telescope, it would appear blue -to yellow white - like most galaxies) means that you needed the human technology of visual reproduction, before it looked 'Red'. Plus one needs to eye of faith to see it as a Rose, even despite the Quran text talks bout the colour, not the shape. Finaly, this is talking about a postulated end of this supposed finite cosmos as known to the medieval arabs - ripped apart and turning red, like oil or a hide (I suspect the translation is rather "brown").

Teller, you are scrabbling at imaginary straws.

This is not "another" proof. It isn't one at all. It rather debunks any Quran credibility, not as surely as the Salt -fresh untruth, but it isn't anything as good as the number of bones, which is the only one that really isn't dead wrong.Originally Posted by badlander
. Did Allah explain the forces of gravity?
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Says nothing about gravity - or anything much other than the absurd medieval ideas of the ignorant.

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There have been over 100 posts about your " unquestionable evidences" and, so far, every one of them has indeed been questioned. If they were in fact unquestionable, how is that possible?
Quite clearly, they are very questionable. We have been through this sort of stuff before where Believers, brainwashed to believe the claims of a Holy Book, and NEVER allowed to doubt or question, and some admittedly clever apologetics being thought up, claim that the validity of this or that God -belief is "Unquestionable".

We have long since seen the very best that Creationism and Gospel reliability -peddlers can do, shown up to be questionable in the extreme, not to say untenable.

It was not a moment too soon either, since the Muslims climbed on the Creationist bandwaggon. Since the wheels fell off that, it has turned to "science in the Bible" for inspiration to rummage through the Quran in search of stuff that sounds vaguely like pulsars as heard through a radio receiver, or the vague speculations about human reproduction.

Some are quite good guesses - like the number of bones - just as the Bible has some hygiene laws that would still look sound today. But while those can be put down to reasonable human information, we don't hear so much about the way of curing ills by sacrificing two sparrows, or the number of joints where the estimation seems to have gone rather wrong.

And, just as the creation -story in Genesis was finally nailed down as Dover, so has the false claim of salt and fresh water never mixing must surely spell the death of the case for the Quran as the word of God.

Trash teller here, seems to be able to do no more that make faith claims and wag Scripture quotes about as "Support", this is proof of nothing but a closed mind, ears and eyes - closed everything except a mouth shouting and shouting the creed of brainless fanaticism. And I deserve a rep point for not even mentioning ISIS.

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Old 08-23-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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Having read post 89 there is nothing about gravity, nothing about science and nothing that cannot be questioned.
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