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Old 08-17-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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I take it that your information is from haditha. ."
yes it is Hadith and not from the Quran.
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You seriously underestimate the scientific knowledge in what was known as Persia particulrly but spread through the world of Islam as far as Cordoba in Spain. Medical knowledge was especially amazing and the world lost a LOT under Ottoman rule.."
Muhammad was illiterate and do you think he and his people were attending something like medicine lectures or scientific discussion ,
their experiences are mostly in the desert and camels
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Let me give another example of that detailed knowledge that comes from hadditha: There is a description of a conversation between Allah and an angel responsible for the development of a child in the womb and the angel asks at some point down the road which sex the child is to become.
that is a different topic
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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yes it is Hadith and not from the Quran.
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Muhammad was illiterate and do you think he and his people were attending something like medicine lectures or scientific discussion ,
their experiences are mostly in the desert and camels

that is a different topic
I think that he had advisors who provided him with interesting information, some of which, as I pointed out was erroneous. And the topic is how Muhammad knew things like this.
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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This is the beat 'truth' that I have come across, but as is pointed out 206 is what we end up with. It is not what we begin with as they fiuse together as we grow.

This means that Joints are more arguable. It depends how you define a joint, but 360 seems an over -estimate. the top estimate from a science point of view is 350 and is very often lower than that..
there are many other scientific sites confirm the number is 360 and this number was agreed
about recently.
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So it seems fairly sound as anatomical information at the time (especially if it was written at the Umayyad court) but is not quite up to stunning proof of the Quran. And this is the best they have, so far as I have seen..
any thing mentioned by Mahammad it would be in his time between the time he was a prophet at 610 ad
until the time he died in 632 ad.
the Umayyad was in 662 to 750 ad.
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p.s. There is a certain amount of discussion about the origins of the Islamic religion. There are indications that Arab local leaders (knows as Muhammads as a generic term) may have been Christian - early building dated to that time are claimed to bear a cross..
the origin of Islam started when Muhammad was in seclusion in the cave of Hiraa’. Jibreel (peace be upon him) came to him and commanded him to read ..etc

and mahammad was 40 years old in 610 ad.
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The Birmingham Quran is radiocarbon dated to before the date of Muhammad. but that is the paper, not what was written on it. ..
The Birmingham Quran is radiocarbon dated between 568 and 645 AD and MAhammad died in 632 ad.
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It is known that Uthman "codified" the Quran, and one has to ask to what extent the Caliph directed what it should say. Much of what it says reflects the knowledge of the time rather than what we now know to be true. And going by the history of the Islamic conquests, if they had one bit of accurate knowledge, it would be how many bones composed each of the skeletons they left strewn behind them.
here how and when the Quran was written for the first time.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation.
They are..... https://islamqa.info/en/10012
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Old 08-17-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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All I'm seeing there is proof of evolution. ?
no proof for evolution here
here is a proof for total number of joints 360 as they were mentioned more than 1400 years by the messenger of Allah Mahammad
and that is a big evidence for atheist and for those who do not follow Mahammad
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The coccyx - what used to be a tail. Does the Quran mention evolution?
The hadith mentioned the coccyx and in that Hadith there is another evidence and in the Quran there is something about indirectly
and I will elaborate on them soon in sha Allah.


When some one died and buried in the soil
Soil will eat all parts of his body except for one thing, and that is the Coccyx
the coccyx (tailbone) is a small bone associated with the last bone of the spine and usually consists of four fused vertebrae and is considered to be the base of the primitive streak that precedes the formation of the whole fetus, especially the nervous system. After primitive streak disappears, only a small bone known as the coccyx remains


the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
“The whole body of the son of Adam will be eaten by dust except `ajb adh-dhanab (coccyx) for he was created from it and his body will be reconstructed starting with it.”

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Old 08-17-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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Was muhammed also correct when he said that the sperm orginates from a man's belly?
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Anyone interested in in science and medicine would naturally study a human skeleton as a learning tool. Human skeletons had precisely the same number of joints 1400 years ago as they do today.
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I think that he had advisors who provided him with interesting information, some of which, as I pointed out was erroneous. And the topic is how Muhammad knew things like this.
Mahammad got the information from Gabriel and Gabriel got them from Allah
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Old 08-17-2017, 10:47 AM
 
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Mahammad got the information from Gabriel and Gabriel got them from Allah
Do you believe that Gabriel would have understood what Christianity teaches? I'm convinced the writer of the Quran had no clue what Christianity teaches, much less be able to write about stuff like the human body in the way you say he/she did.
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Old 08-17-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Do you believe that Gabriel would have understood what Christianity teaches? .
Gabriel is an angel and he does not take lessons from Christianity,
one of his job is to take revelation from Allah and pass it to the messenger or to the prophet.
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I'm convinced the writer of the Quran had no clue what Christianity teaches, much less be able to write about stuff like the human body in the way you say he/she did.
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, . Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries

The scientific knowledge is nothing comparing to parting the sea and splitting the moon

all are done by Allah.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:09 PM
 
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Mahammad got the information from Gabriel and Gabriel got them from Allah
THAT would be Qu'ran, no? You were talking about haditha.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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Gabriel is an angel and he does not take lessons from Christianity,
one of his job is to take revelation from Allah and pass it to the messenger or to the prophet.
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The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, . Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries

The scientific knowledge is nothing comparing to parting the sea and splitting the moon

all are done by Allah.
Weird how he failed to get so many things right. It is clear that the writer of the Quran had no clue what Christianity teaches, much less detailed scientific information regarding the body.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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THAT would be Qu'ran, no? You were talking about haditha.

Quran and Hadith are all from Allah
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