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Old 08-20-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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Dawkins tells the truth. The video deceives..
Please read the part in brown color
He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. The Holy Quran
Dawkins said get salt water and fresh water and mix them and he did not say barrier between them

please see the salt water in the right and fresh in the left and the barrier between them

Dawkins was silly








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Old 08-20-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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Yes, but the thing is that it does not appear to return immediately as a response to the downward stroke, which is what the Quran quote says..

in reality when see the lightning, the gap of time between the coming down from the cloud to ground and the
returning from ground to up can not been seen because it happen in the blink of the eye

but it can be seen with the help with high speed digital camera such as 10000 fps.

and notice that the talk about the lightening return is from Hadith and not from Quran

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Old 08-20-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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Notice NOW we get a distinction between Qu'ran and hadditha. Both come from Allah according to truth_teller above, but now you should understand that hadditha are less reliable.
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Old 08-20-2017, 07:35 PM
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I feel at least a bit badly for anyone who seeks truth in a single book (or collection of pamphlets) instead of looking around and trying to pay attention.
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Old 08-20-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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Notice NOW we get a distinction between Qu'ran and hadditha. Both come from Allah according to truth_teller above, but now you should understand that hadditha are less reliable.
the main sources of Islam are

1- The holy Quran
The Holy Quran is correct a 100%
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime.
Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries,
2- Hadith
The Hadith is the practice and example and saying of the Prophet, is the second authority for Muslims.


A hadith is a reliably transmitted report of what the Prophet said, did, or approved.
and it is one of the two parts of divine Revelation that were revealed to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
“Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed” The Holy Quran.
and for the Hadith the Authenticity rank of hadith are
1- (sound)
2- (good)
3- (weak)
4- (fabricated)




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Old 08-20-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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I feel at least a bit badly for anyone who seeks truth in a single book (or collection of pamphlets) instead of looking around and trying to pay attention.
Say: "Travel in the land and see how (Allah) originated the creation,
and then Allah will bring forth the creation of the Hereafter (i.e. resurrection after death).
Verily, Allah is Able to do all things." The Holy Quran.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:02 PM
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Say: "Travel in the land and see how (Allah) originated the creation,
and then Allah will bring forth the creation of the Hereafter (i.e. resurrection after death).
Verily, Allah is Able to do all things." The Holy Quran.
I rest my case.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Please read the part in brown color
He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. The Holy Quran
Dawkins said get salt water and fresh water and mix them and he did not say barrier between them

please see the salt water in the right and fresh in the left and the barrier between them

Dawkins was silly








You consider this proof that the Koran is divinely inspired? Really?

It is obvious that fresh water is different from salt water. It doesn't take much to hypothesize a barrier from that.

Of course, your graphic doesn't actually depict a barrier. The gradations simply show a mixing zone. Salt content doesn't jump in set amounts like that.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:39 PM
 
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You consider this proof that the Koran is divinely inspired? Really?

It is obvious that fresh water is different from salt water. It doesn't take much to hypothesize a barrier from that.

Of course, your graphic doesn't actually depict a barrier. The gradations simply show a mixing zone. Salt content doesn't jump in set amounts like that.
the properties of the mixing zone was put by Allah and that is barrier that protect the fresh water and salt water
from beating one the other and that is scientific knowledge was discovered lately .
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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Mahammad knew the number from the one who created them.

The Holy Quran and the Hadith are not detail scientific books , the Quran is the final Holy Book From Allah to all mankind
and it is considered the constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world .
it is more 1400 years old and it also contain stories and kind of history events
and hints and signs to scientific facts
these scientific facts are considered miracles because it could not be told by any human being at that time 1400 years ago,
also they are considered proofs against non believers who do not believe in the creator or those who do not follow Islam.
The Hadith is the saying of the prophet Mahammad and it contains more details about the religion
and in some there are scientific information were not know until the recent time.
You are portraying yourself as extremely naive when it come to this sort of religious stuff. I would urge you to be more careful with assuming you have hit some sort of "perfection" with your knowledge of how things were actually done (in terms of religious histories).
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