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I feel at least a bit badly for anyone who seeks truth in a single book (or collection of pamphlets) instead of looking around and trying to pay attention.
I told him I would count the joints for him/her; I would even go with whatever definition of joint (s)he wanted to go with. But (s)he said something about how his "unquestionable evidences" (religious ideas) are vague. It seems my request was refused or ignored.
We have two groups here, each claiming to have the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, coming straight from God/Allah. One of them MUST be wrong.
There are clues as to which is wrong.
The one that claims a man flew up to heaven.
The one that claims a man flew up into the clouds on a horse.
We have two groups here, each claiming to have the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, coming straight from God/Allah. One of them MUST be wrong.
There are clues as to which is wrong.
The one that claims a man flew up to heaven.
The one that claims a man flew up into the clouds on a horse.
the properties of the mixing zone was put by Allah and that is barrier that protect the fresh water and salt water
from beating one the other and that is scientific knowledge was discovered lately .
That knowledge - that salt and fresh water mix, was known long before Muhammad was born. And the Quran quote seems to deny it, fo all that you are apparently trying to fiddle it to say that whatever is happening, Allah did it, told Muhammad about it and science has only just found out. You must really see that you rapod shifts on this don't do your case any credit.
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in reality when see the lightning, the gap of time between the coming down from the cloud to ground and the
returning from ground to up can not been seen because it happen in the blink of the eye
but it can be seen with the help with high speed digital camera such as 10000 fps.
and notice that the talk about the lightening return is from Hadith and not from Quran
Noted, But didn't you say that they were both the word of Allah? You can change your mind on that if you like, but otherwise, the point has no point.
Now, can you validate that there is s high lighting - strike ground to clod right after the clod to ground strike? The return charge, causes flickering, the return strike happens later, not immediately.
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We have two groups here, each claiming to have the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, coming straight from God/Allah. One of them MUST be wrong.
There are clues as to which is wrong.
The one that claims a man flew up to heaven.
The one that claims a man flew up into the clouds on a horse.
Take your pick
I already did. While the gospel stories are denonstrably massively overwritten by Christians, the basics of the crucifixion are true.
The Quran denies some things that are demonstrably true.
So, lower places and mixing water apart, the Quran was debunked, long before the debate started. While we may be able to show that the 'science' of the Quran is not all that good, apart from the bits of information that come from dismembering corpses, but cannot prove that the present book was written some decades later than is claimed, and probably contains little or nothing that is the authentic words of Muhammad (just as little or nothing in the Gospels is the genuine saying of Jesus), that it isn't divine word, was not written down and IS the best poetry the Ummayads had, and for sure not put together from odd passages recalled, or written on bits of stone or animal skin.
In short, We know it's wrong even before we get to arguing about how it was written.
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I can't believe anyone would post something like this as irrefutable proof of God.
*sigh*
Some people will grasp for anything when, apparently, someone's (the OP's?) faith is in jeopardy.
Thus God (Allah?) can impart his wisdom by giving us the answer to a Trivial Pursuit question ("How many joints are there in the human body?" I think you'll get a Science and Nature pie slice for that one) but utterly fails to grant us knowledge that is actually useful -- like warning us of bacteria and viruses which is why more people have been killed by diseases caused by our own bodily waste than have been killed in all the wars ever fought in all of human history.
Gee, thanks, God! I'm dying of the Plague right now, but at least I'll win this game of Trivial Pursuit!!
I assume you're talking about cracking one joint a day. Tough to do. Once you start with one you want to do all 360, it's that addictive.
The interpretation of the Hadith is to be thankful to Allah by doing good deeds
for Allah sake or by praying to Allah .
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But on a different joint....er...note, Christians say the same thing "If you don't follow Jesus you're in danger of hell" Who do you believe?????
If you don't follow Jesus you're in danger of hell" that is correct but it apply to those who were living at the time of the messenger of Allah Isa (Jesus) peace be upon him until the time of the messenger of Allah who came after him after 610 years and that is Mahammad.
and the idea is not to obey Jesus or Mahammad but the idea to obey the one who send them ,
The creator the god the only god Allah.
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The interpretation of the Hadith is to be thankful to Allah by doing good deeds
for Allah sake or by praying to Allah .
If you don't follow Jesus you're in danger of hell" that is correct but it apply to those who living at the time of the messenger of Allah Isa (Jesus) peace be upon him until the time of the messenger of Allah who came after in him after 610 years that is Mahammad.
and the idea is not to obey Jesus or Mahammad but the idea to obey the one who send them ,
The creator the god the only god Allah.
You know the Real God is very annoyed you keep posting this. He's even made pretty much all muslim countries around the world totally awful places to live compared to other parts of the world to try to get you to see the errors of your ways, your belief in this fake ideology called Islam. But still you persist. Ah well.
and the idea is not to obey Jesus or Mahammad but the idea to obey the one who send them , The creator the god the only god Allah.
I see ... so we essentially ignore the things Jesus said like, "Love thy neighbor" or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and INSTEAD obey God who said things like "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (which caused the murder of millions of innocent people throughout the centuries) or gay people should be killed or brides who aren't virgins on their wedding night should be killed or ... those who work on the Sabbath should be killed ... or those who disrespect a priest should be killed ... or rebellious children should be killed. Did you read your horoscope in the paper this morning? Whoops, gotta haul your butt out to the town square and stone you to death.
The God who sent Jesus and, presumably Mahammad, is a god of death, hate, jealousy, vengeance, misogyny, and authoritarianistic fascism. Which, of course, is one of many reasons why religion makes very little sense. For some inexplicable reason "God" seems to have gone through a considerable personality overhaul when the Christ Cult erupted ... and again when the Mahammad Cult erupted.
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