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Old 08-16-2017, 10:08 PM
 
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unquestionable evidences

How did Mahammad Know this


The creator told him
it is not only the atheists that are in dangerous but also those who do not follow Mahammad.
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The exact number was not known even in 20th century .

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
A human being has three hundred and sixty joints for each of which he must give alms.
The people asked him: Who is capable of doing this ?
He replied: It may be mucus in the mosque which you bury, and something which you remove from the road;
but if you do not find such, two rak'ahs (prayer) in the forenoon will be sufficient for you.







How many joints are there in the human body?
640 muscles. 206 bones. 360 joints. Ask a Question


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Old 08-16-2017, 10:19 PM
 
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360 joints sounds good -that's nearly one a day ..... speaking of which, it's about that time.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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Didn't you post this same useless and meaningless thing in another post already. Any pagan could (and probably did) count the amount of joints (or bone-joining, rather than real joints) on various human bodies and then average them out. The Muslims burned down their books and libraries, just as the Christians did to their enemies as well... what with Abrahamism being extremely violent and destruction-dependent. Regardless, 360 is a made up number because the number of joints (or bone-joining) varies from person to person, there are double jointed people and the such, as well as other variations. The Arab pagans (who were as merciless and violent as their current descendants) also had around (if not exactly) 360 gods that they worshiped at Mecca as a tourist trap, reflecting the number of days in the year.

360 isn't a big number, I can count for you. I'd like you to list out your definition of a joint. Does a knee only have one joint? does one vertebra meet with another vertebra at only one joint? How many joints in the ear? Just two? More? Name them and the bones they connect. Thank you.

For example, in the (one) foot there are what follows:

2 Ankle Joints (1 femur and 1 humorous meet 1 Talus).
1 (or 3) Subtalar Joint(s) (1 Talus meets 1 Calcaneus).
1 Talonavicular Joint (1 Talus meets 1 Navicular).
1 Calcaneo-cuboid Joint (1 Calcaneus meets 1 cuboid).
3 Navicular-cuneiform Joint (1 Navicular meets 3 cuneiform).
5 Tarsometatarsal Joints (3 cuneiforms meet 3 metatarsals, 1 cuboid meets 2 metatarsals)
5 Metatarsal Phalangeal Joints (5 metatarsals meet 5 proximal-phalanx).
4-5 Interphalangeal Joints (5 proximal-phalanx meet 1 distal-phalanx and 3-4 middle-phalanx).
3-4 extra-interphalangeal joints (because of 3-4 middle-phalanx ).

That is 27-29 joints in the 1 foot (27 if you agree that 1 Talus meeting 1 Calcaneus at three spots is 1 joint).

which exact count would you support (for one foot) and why?

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Old 08-16-2017, 11:04 PM
 
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360 joints sounds good -that's nearly one a day ..... speaking of which, it's about that time.
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:15 PM
 
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unquestionable evidences

How did Mahammad Know this

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I take it that your information is from haditha. You seriously underestimate the scientific knowledge in what was known as Persia particulrly but spread through the world of Islam as far as Cordoba in Spain. Medical knowledge was especially amazing and the world lost a LOT under Ottoman rule.

Let me give another example of that detailed knowledge that comes from hadditha: There is a description of a conversation between Allah and an angel responsible for the development of a child in the womb and the angel asks at some point down the road which sex the child is to become. Now we know that the separations and development of genitilia is not visible in the fetus until it is examined under micoscope at a point weeks from conception, so it is easy to see that that advanced level of examination WAS known at the time BUT we also know that the sex of the fetus is determined at conception by the combination of X and Y chromosomes. There were SOME things their knowledge didn't cover and Allah didn't seem to tell Mahammad.

This is not my first rodeo with these spurious "proofs."
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:31 PM
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This is the beat 'truth' that I have come across, but as is pointed out 206 is what we end up with. It is not what we begin with as they fiuse together as we grow.

This means that Joints are more arguable. It depends how you define a joint, but 360 seems an over -estimate. the top estimate from a science point of view is 350 and is very often lower than that.

So it seems fairly sound as anatomical information at the time (especially if it was written at the Umayyad court) but is not quite up to stunning proof of the Quran. And this is the best they have, so far as I have seen.

p.s. There is a certain amount of discussion about the origins of the Islamic religion. There are indications that Arab local leaders (knows as Muhammads as a generic term) may have been Christian - early building dated to that time are claimed to bear a cross.

The Birmingham Quran is radiocarbon dated to before the date of Muhammad. but that is the paper, not what was written on it.

It is known that Uthman "codified" the Quran, and one has to ask to what extent the Caliph directed what it should say. Much of what it says reflects the knowledge of the time rather than what we now know to be true. And going by the history of the Islamic conquests, if they had one bit of accurate knowledge, it would be how many bones composed each of the skeletons they left strewn behind them.

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Old 08-17-2017, 12:22 AM
 
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All I'm seeing there is proof of evolution. The coccyx - what used to be a tail. Does the Quran mention evolution?
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:01 AM
 
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unquestionable evidences

How did Mahammad Know this


The creator told him
it is not only the atheists that are in dangerous but also those who do not follow Mahammad.
-----------
-----
---
The exact number was not known even in 20th century .

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
A human being has three hundred and sixty joints for each of which he must give alms.
The people asked him: Who is capable of doing this ?
He replied: It may be mucus in the mosque which you bury, and something which you remove from the road;
but if you do not find such, two rak'ahs (prayer) in the forenoon will be sufficient for you.





How many joints are there in the human body?
640 muscles. 206 bones. 360 joints. Ask a Question
Anyone interested in in science and medicine would naturally study a human skeleton as a learning tool. Human skeletons had precisely the same number of joints 1400 years ago as they do today.
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Was muhammed also correct when he said that the sperm orginates from a man's belly?
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Old 08-17-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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360 isn't a big number, I can count for you.
Mahammad knew the number from the one who created them.
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I'd like you to list out your definition of a joint. Does a knee only have one joint? does one vertebra meet with another vertebra at only one joint? How many joints in the ear? Just two? More? Name them and the bones they connect. Thank you.
The Holy Quran and the Hadith are not detail scientific books , the Quran is the final Holy Book From Allah to all mankind
and it is considered the constitution and the Laws that must be comply by every one in this world .
it is more 1400 years old and it also contain stories and kind of history events
and hints and signs to scientific facts
these scientific facts are considered miracles because it could not be told by any human being at that time 1400 years ago,
also they are considered proofs against non believers who do not believe in the creator or those who do not follow Islam.
The Hadith is the saying of the prophet Mahammad and it contains more details about the religion
and in some there are scientific information were not know until the recent time.
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