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While they may offend you or be snarky not a single one of those comments are an example of dogma. Not by my definition and certainly not by the definitions you posted. As an atheist there are only one or two statements that I would maybe even agree with.
If dogma meant snarky or offensive comments then I think every single individual would be guilty of it but under the current definitions of the word all your examples fail. Thanks for answering I do appreciate your doing it.
So not all atheists are the same. of course not.
and not all theists are the same either. do you get that also?
and yet many atheists consistently post dogmatic views authoritatively speaking of theists as if they are all the same. why is that do you think?
Only if you have rites and rituals and say it is the only way to not believe in him...
and that this way was given to you by a supernatural being of your choice...
like Joseph Smith's spirit on the third Full Moon of the year.
Well... I do decorate my house with lights and a Christmas tree every year at Christmas. And Santa is a part of the iconography, even though I don't suppose that he actually exists. Jesus is NOT a part of the iconography however, since there is no reason to suppose that Jesus was born on December 25th. December 25th is actually associated with the winter solstice, and I DO believe in the winter solstice. I just don't ascribe any religious significance to it.
Do rites and rituals count for anything if you only participate in them for the fun of it? Other than that, no, there are no "we don't believe in God" rituals that atheists are involved with.
So not all atheists are the same. of course not.
and not all theists are the same either. do you get that also?
and yet many atheists consistently post dogmatic views authoritatively speaking of theists as if they are all the same. why is that do you think?
Apparently you don't bother reading much of what others post. I already stated that dogma and belief or religion are not the same and that one can be a believer or religious without dogma.
And atheists are speaking their minds strongly which you take as authoritative however they are not using the words from an authority. There are no atheists that say this is so because my leader claims it so whereas belevers can say this is so because Jesus or Paul or God says it's so.
Stating something strongly is not dogma.
Women can not be priests because Paul says so is dogma.
Woman cannot be priests because they are not smart enough could be a strongly held opinion but is, I hope, not church doctrine hence not dogma.
Can you see the difference?
The opinion that women are not smart enough in no way represents the poster's past current or future thoughts or opinions and was used simply for illustrative purposes. It also does not represent the opinions of CC, atheists, or the local humane society.☺
You get offended because I bring up the word dogma, yet you're saying that all atheists are dogmatic? Seems not only hypocritical but also prejudice.
I'm not an atheist but find your anger towards them unfortunate. I definitely think you would be happier if you could reduce that anger.
There is no anger whatsoever.
simply, as another poster put it, education and teaching, in this case about word usage and word choices.
and also including atheists in all topics and discussions and word choices and word usage on the religion and spirituality forum.
Yes, atheists are dogmatic.
Yes, atheism has dogma. Dogma about people who are atheists, dogma about atheism, dogma about theists.
The post above gives us two more examples of dogma from atheists:
"our calls are generally justified and the accusations of theism are not only not justified but are wrongheaded"
"theist inability to think logically or rationally, or even honestly"
dog·mat·ic
adjective
inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true
dog·ma
noun
a principle or set of principles laid down as incontrovertibly true
something held as an established opinion, a definite authoritative tenet
No. Those are conclusions, not Dogma. They are based on logical predicates which were not devised to prop up atheism. If you want to contest the validity of logic, you may do so (some theists do) but you must go to the logicians and tell them they are being dogmatic, not us.
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So not all atheists are the same. of course not.
and not all theists are the same either. do you get that also?
and yet many atheists consistently post dogmatic views authoritatively speaking of theists as if they are all the same. why is that do you think?
Because all theists, by definition, hold a god -belief. Logic does not support God -belief, so theists are, by definition illogical. When we say so, it is a conclusion based on logic. it is not dogma.
.... everyone was born atheist by default because (instinct -to-trust apart) we have no God -concept until we are taught it. So in that respect all believers here were once atheist......
what's interesting though about this dogma is that it is identical in approach to that used by Islam as well, which states that everyone is born Muslim.
absolutely identical method and approach.
Trans, you have that in common with Muslims.
Yes, atheists are dogmatic.
Yes, atheism has dogma. Dogma about people who are atheists, dogma about atheism, dogma about theists.
Ah, you don't seem to realize that dogma and dogmatic are different words. One can be dogmatic without adhering to dogma.
For a parallel example let's look at color (noun) and colorful (adjective). Black is a color, but is not colorful. A person can be colorful without being a color. Similarly, an atheist can be dogmatic without following dogma. I can dogmatically insist that all theists are stupid (for the record, I do not hold this opinion), yet this is not a tenet established by any authoritative atheist (of which none exist).
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The post above gives us two more examples of dogma from atheists:
"our calls are generally justified and the accusations of theism are not only not justified but are wrongheaded"
"theist inability to think logically or rationally, or even honestly"
These are the opinions of an individual, not authoritative atheist dogma, which I feel obligated to repeat does not exist.
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dog·mat·ic
adjective
inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true
dog·ma
noun
a principle or set of principles laid down as incontrovertibly true
something held as an established opinion, a definite authoritative tenet
what's interesting though about this dogma is that it is identical in approach to that used by Islam as well, which states that everyone is born Muslim.
absolutely identical method and approach.
Trans, you have that in common with Muslims.
Not dogma. It is an opinion held by Transponder, and I don't agree with it. Attributing any belief, or lack thereof, to an infant is meaningless. They don't have a sufficiently developed intellect to really assign any value to degrees of belief, so claiming atheism is mere sophistry.
You seem to be confusing opinion or assertion with dogma.
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Because all theists, by definition, hold a god -belief. Logic does not support God -belief, so theists are, by definition illogical. When we say so, it is a conclusion based on logic. it is not dogma.
