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Well there is your problem. Because when the Jewish messiah comes he will fulfil ALL prophecies there and then. There is no coming back; no second chance.
No. The 'truth' is that nowhere, NOWHERE in the Jewish prophecies does it say that the mashiach will come, do some of the jobs, be killed and then return at some unknown later date to finish the job. In fact, the opposite is true. The Jewish prophecies for the mashiach say that he will come and complete ALL the tasks there and then. The 'second coming' is a Christian invention to account for their man-god not fulfilling the prophecies for the Jewish Mashiach.
Thank you for your honesty...See folks, even an atheist can be unbiased...[you are atheist, right?]...
Thank you for your honesty...See folks, even an atheist can be unbiased...[you are atheist, right?]...
Indeed I am sir. Mind you. I don't believe any of it. Just pointing out that, according to the Jewish prophecies for the messiah, the Christian man-god doesn't fit the bill. He doesn't qualify. He didn't fulfil the prophecies.
Indeed I am sir. Mind you. I don't believe any of it. Just pointing out that, according to the Jewish prophecies for the messiah, the Christian man-god doesn't fit the bill. He doesn't qualify. He didn't fulfil the prophecies.
Still Jesus brings the Holy Spirit to abide on those who are obedient to the commands of Jesus ..... What did these people who claim to be the messiah did they bring the Holy Spirit to abide on followers of these men ? ..... People who do not have the Holy Spirit and His temple abiding on them are not even in the program of God and His plan
Still Jesus brings the Holy Spirit to abide on those who are obedient to the commands of Jesus ..... What did these people who claim to be the messiah did they bring the Holy Spirit to abide on followers of these men ? ..... People who do not have the Holy Spirit and His temple abiding on them are not even in the program of God and His plan
Torah did not say that the Mashiach would bring the HS to abide on anyone...
Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do.
On the contrary, another Jew born about a century later came far closer to fulfilling the messianic ideal than Jesus did. His name was Shimeon ben Kosiba, known as Bar Kokhba (son of a star), and he was a charismatic, brilliant, but brutal warlord. Rabbi Akiba, one of the greatest scholars in Jewish history, believed that Bar Kokhba was the mashiach. Bar Kokhba fought a war against the Roman Empire, catching the Tenth Legion by surprise and retaking Jerusalem. He resumed sacrifices at the site of the Temple and made plans to rebuild the Temple. He established a provisional government and began to issue coins in its name. This is what the Jewish people were looking for in a mashiach; Jesus clearly does not fit into this mold. Ultimately, however, the Roman Empire crushed his revolt and killed Bar Kokhba. After his death, all acknowledged that he was not the mashiach.
Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name. Leo Rosten reports some very entertaining accounts under the entry for meshiekh in The New Joys of Yiddish. But all of these people died without fulfilling the mission of the mashiach; therefore, none of them were the mashiach. The mashiach and the Olam Ha-Ba lie in the future, not in the past. - Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah
Why has has Christianity redefined a Jewish concept?...
Richard, even respected but skeptic Bible scholars like Bart Ehrman indicate that Jesus, existed. Jews have written about Jesus for quite some time developing ideas about what he did or didn't do that disqualified him as the Messiah. Thus the forefathers of modern day Jews obviously thought of him as a real person.
Jesus was rejected as the promised Messiah because the Jews were looking for a political/military solution to their subjection under Roman rule. However, YHWH offered the offspring of his friend Abraham and mankind something of greater value and some were able to recognize that.
Torah did not say that the Mashiach would bring the HS to abide on anyone...
The Israelites who interpreted the Torah used their worldly and carnal expectations and desires for the Mashiach to decide which scriptures applied. They were wrong about them. They were wrong about Jesus. They rejected Him and demanded His scourging and crucifixion in furtherance of their carnal expectations and beliefs about their War God. They are still wrong and Jesus, by any objective standards has been proven to be the spiritual Messiah that God intended, NOT the carnal and worldly one the Israelites expected.That is why the spiritual Messiah, Jesus, DID bring the Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and subsequently to each and every one of us after His death as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts.".
Richard, even respected but skeptic Bible scholars like Bart Ehrman indicate that Jesus, existed. Jews have written about Jesus for quite some time developing ideas about what he did or didn't do that disqualified him as the Messiah. Thus the forefathers of modern day Jews obviously thought of him as a real person.
Jesus was rejected as the promised Messiah because the Jews were looking for a political/military solution to their subjection under Roman rule. However, YHWH offered the offspring of his friend Abraham and mankind something of greater value and some were able to recognize that.
They were looking for what they were told to look for....
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Mind you. I don't believe any of it. Just pointing out that, according to the Jewish prophecies for the messiah, the Christian man-god doesn't fit the bill. He doesn't qualify. He didn't fulfil the prophecies.
