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How do YOU explain "bad things?" If there is a creator God and he is all good, there should be no bad things.
But let's look at good and bad for a moment. Good and bad do not exist! They are humans concepts, like sin and evil, rather than physical forces in the world.
Let's consider good and bad objectively, as unbiased observers only. A lioness catches and kills a day old baby gazelle, which she takes home and feeds to her cubs. From the perspective of the lion, this is a very good thing. It keeps her and her cubs from starving to death. From the perspective of the baby gazelle though , this is a catastrophe. From the perspective of the universe at large however, which has no opinion one way or the other, this was neither right or wrong. It was simply an event.
But let's skew the example a bit. The gazelle was not taken by a lioness to feed her cubs, but by a crocodile. Because most people have an instinctive loathing of reptiles, they will immediately side with the baby gazelle. But crocodiles have to make a living too. Again, the right or wrong nature of the event is simply a matter of opinion. And opinions vary depending on perspective.
Now let's consider the three things I mentioned, cancer and flesh eating viruses and birth defects. If one believes, as you do, in a creator God, then you creator God is responsible for cancer and flesh eating viruses and birth defects, as well as any number of other horrors that exist in the world. If no God ever existed to begin with however, these things are simply natural occurrences. They destroy lives, and we consider that BAD. But there is no one to blame. Sometimes lions and crocodiles destroy human lives too, but lions and crocodiles are neither bad nor evil. They simply do what is necessary to survive.
I live in an area that was once teaming with grizzly bears. Humans wiped out all of the grizzly bears where I live decades ago. Because grizzly bears were a threat to human life, and humans do what is necessary to survive. Whether wiping out the grizzly bears was a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of opinion. I am of the opinion that grizzly bears make bad neighbors.
some of us rail against your fundy-mentals. why don't you regulars control them? You know, most atheists are just non religious and its because of how religious people act. things like god against gays is as stupid as the 13 labels that gays use to get a boys into the girls room in public schools.
for no christ sake, common sense struggles against the two end of the human boob stick. We just give up, take care of our lives, and get back to work. and end up getting it from both ends. Its ok to not to be all or nothing. In fact, its normal.
Saying "no" is not blocking love. "enabling" blocks love.
some of us rail against your fundy-mentals. why don't you regulars control them? You know, most atheists are just non religious and its because of how religious people act. things like god against gays is as stupid as the 13 labels that gays use to get a boys into the girls room in public schools.
for no christ sake, common sense struggles against the two end of the human boob stick. We just give up, take care of our lives, and get back to work. and end up getting it from both ends. Its ok to not to be all or nothing. In fact, its normal.
Saying "no" is not blocking love. "enabling" blocks love.
That’s not what I read earlier. Someone was upset because a supposedly loving god allows disease, famine, etc. That’s not railing against fundamentalists-that’s anger toward God.
If there is no creator, how do you explain bad things?
Easy: an uncaring universe with no benevolent creator.
The laws of physics don’t care about us. If a child falls off of a high balcony, gravity will accelerate the child rapidly toward the ground, killing the child. If a child accidentally ingests a bottle of Drano, that child will die because of the laws of chemistry.
I am not aware of any physical law that prevents bad things from happening to “good” people.
Easy: an uncaring universe with no benevolent creator.
The laws of physics don’t care about us. If a child falls off of a high balcony, gravity will accelerate the child rapidly toward the ground, killing the child. If a child accidentally ingests a bottle of Drano, that child will die because of the laws of chemistry.
I am not aware of any physical law that prevents bad things from happening to “good” people.
The "creator who loves us," also created cancer and flesh eating viruses and child defects. He kills humans by the millions. It's rather like sitting on grandpa's lap and being sexually molested. Not all of us feel the love.
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And among the believers is never held responsible.
I just saw a post on Facebook by an old secretary of mine. Thanking god for his protection and benevolence...because her sister had died after 7 years of misery from cancer. Sorry, but I think that's just warped.
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I don’t believe there is a God to get angry at.
If I were angry at a God, I’d be a theist, not an agnostic/atheist.
Are you referring to the two posts immediately below?
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The "creator who loves us," also created cancer and flesh eating viruses and child defects. He kills humans by the millions. It's rather like sitting on grandpa's lap and being sexually molested. Not all of us feel the love.
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And among the believers is never held responsible.
I just saw a post on Facebook by an old secretary of mine. Thanking god for his protection and benevolence...because her sister had died after 7 years of misery from cancer. Sorry, but I think that's just warped.
Are you referring to the two posts immediately below?
He is.
For jimmie, those posts are "proof" atheists (and Buddhists I guess) hate god.
It's not surprising, considering fundamentalists think their old book is "proof" of their god.
I do not think they know what that word means. (Apolgies to Inigo.)
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