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Old 12-08-2017, 08:14 PM
 
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No, it was people doing that. People are the hands of God - for good or bad.

The problem with so many discussions about God is often God is defined in ways that are not true.
Buddha, Jesus & many others explained that God is not some external observable thing but “the kingdom (realm/experience) of God is within you.” When you realize how it couldn’t be any other way, you’re left with responsibility- which is why many would rather look to a sky-daddy to blame.

God is defined as love. The word is like GOoD - which is potential in us all, but often is revealed through “bad.”
Isn't it marvellous? God orders bad stuff - humans get the blame. Humans do good stuff - God gets the credit.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Some basics that might be taken for granted that we got from Moses:
1. Don't kill
2. Don't steal
3. Don't lie
4. Don't cheat
5. Honor your parents (generally, parents are each of ours first morality teachers)
Moses has not been adequately established as an historical character.

Prohibitions of the sort you list here are extremely common in all cultures because they are the basic underpinning of social reciprocity. Including cultures that predate Moses, even if he existed.
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As religion has evolved, the moral laws have evolved. Jesus (who was likely greatly influenced by Buddhism) explained that the old laws were ok - but there were higher laws. IE: Old laws say, "Don't cheat on your wife" New law he suggested was "Don't even lust after any other woman - guard your thoughts not just your actions."
It is true that religious morality is far from immutable. It can't be; the actual source of morality is society; if religion does not evolve along with society in the way that religion decorates and embellishes societal morality, it will itself become immoral, and suffer the consequences.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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As religion has evolved, the moral laws have evolved. Jesus (who was likely greatly influenced by Buddhism) explained that the old laws were ok - but there were higher laws. IE: Old laws say, "Don't cheat on your wife" New law he suggested was "Don't even lust after any other woman - guard your thoughts not just your actions."
I agree sins are bad, but I also accept that they're human nature and constantly feeling guilty and feel needing to ask God for forgiveness could cause neurosis.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I agree sins are bad, but I also accept that they're human nature and constantly feeling guilty and needing to ask God for forgiveness could cause neurosis.
Also in my experience most people have a hard enough time getting forgiveness from themselves, let alone from some capricious invisible character.

I suppose that imagining that god forgives you is a way for some people to gain "permission" to forgive themselves, so there's that.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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Also in my experience most people have a hard enough time getting forgiveness from themselves, let alone from some capricious invisible character.

I suppose that imagining that god forgives you is a way for some people to gain "permission" to forgive themselves, so there's that.
Both great points. I would also add that the feeling that God forgives me, but doesn't forgive people who don't believe like me is a selfish / immoral one.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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God repeatedly ordered babies and children to be hacked to death with swords. God once drowned the entire planet. God condones and supports slavery. Humans have outlawed genocide and slavery worldwide. God could take some morality lesson from humans.
Not hard to believe that you'll blame God for immorality here on earth Moderator cut: Unacceptable language . Are you going to be the teacher of God?
And God didn't drown "the entire planet"...the earth is flat.

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Old 12-08-2017, 09:28 PM
 
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Both great points. I would also add that the feeling that God forgives me, but doesn't forgive people who don't believe like me is a selfish / immoral one.
Is your "feeling" based on what God's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ did for you?
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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Not hard to believe that you'll blame God for immorality here on earth Moderator cut: Unacceptable language . Are you going to be the teacher of God?
And God didn't drown "the entire planet"...the earth is flat.
What is your religion?

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Old 12-08-2017, 09:48 PM
 
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What is your religion?
I don't own one.
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Old 12-08-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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There have always been leaders who perceive new applications of the principles taught in the best religions and within the same belief system there have always been foot draggers and outright reactionaries. The difference can be astounding.
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