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Old 12-09-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Unfortunately, this is the state of Christianity in America.

There are still countless millions of Christians in our benighted little country that practice their religion as if this were still 1500 A.D. and science doesn't exist.

They still view the world through the lens of angry gods sending punishments down against humanity whenever we do something wrong.

The definition of "wrong," however, is completely turned on its head with today's Christianity -- whereby homosexuality is far worse (and more wrong) than things like, oh, murder, rape, pedophilia, domestic violence, etc.

Because you NEVER hear one of these religious bigots claiming that this or that natural disaster, act of terrorism, or school shooting occurred because God is angry with our gun fetish culture or because of the thousands of murders that take place every year, or the seemingly endless accusations of sexual misconduct by our leaders.

Of course not.

Homosexuality is the PENULTIMATE sin, at least according to these kinds of Christians -- even though no one is being hurt and there are no victims. Not even "thou shalt not kill" emblazoned on the 10 Commandments is worse than being gay.

Which stands to reason -- despite watching these very same Christians flailing about trying to claim they aren't being bigots. Well, flail as they might, I think the rest of us knows the truth. After all, it's no coincidence that God always hates the same people they do.

Pathetic, really, and a perfect example of why Christianity in America is an abject failure.

That's not to say that there aren't good Christians. It's just that there aren't enough of them and they don't have the political clout as those who still practice their faith as if this were 500 years ago. The rest of the world has since moved on, but America is still the only nation in the world still producing large numbers of Christian fanatics and zealots that really do not want a truly free country. Instead, they want to have the right to punish those who refuse to conform to their religion ... kind of like other fanatical, fundamentalist groups we all know and love in other parts of the world.
Thats mainly because homosexuality goes against what is natural, sex is for procreation, 2 of the same sex cannot create life. I think it is something we cannot comprehend, the way we view things and the way God views things are MUCH different, we are only aware of a small part of something much larger and complex
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Old 12-09-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Thats mainly because homosexuality goes against what is natural, sex is for procreation, 2 of the same sex cannot create life. I think it is something we cannot comprehend, the way we view things and the way God views things are MUCH different, we are only aware of a small part of something much larger and complex
There's nothing large or complex about a god-thing that frets over who does what with their naughty bits.

That would indicate a VERY tiny-minded god-thing with disturbing voyeuristic tendencies. (Among a host of other disturbing tendencies.)
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Old 12-09-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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You've been had, Fundie.
Maybe so, but I imagine rich and unscrupulous people literally do hire people on the dark web to take down unwanted businesses.

In other news
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Thats mainly because homosexuality goes against what is natural, sex is for procreation, 2 of the same sex cannot create life. I think it is something we cannot comprehend, the way we view things and the way God views things are MUCH different, we are only aware of a small part of something much larger and complex
Honestly, I feel like not all sex is created equal. Like God doesn't care one way or the other about homosexual/heterosexual oral sex, but cares greatly about anal sex.

"You shall not lie with a man as with a woman."

When you have anal sex this is the equivalent of a typical sex act, only it can be done with either sex about the same way with a man. Whereas oral sex and penetrative sex varies based on your partner.

I would also like to reference the risk of STDs and the frequency specifically of serious disease. Hepatitis B (the worse one, as it causes chronic infection) and HIV are much more likely to happen from anal sex than oral. Oral sex, mainly has a risk of warts, herpes (it says rare, too), clamydia, and gonorrhea. Most of these are itching or rash. Versus life-threatening weakened immune system or chronic ailments.

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

And just as a side-note, sodomy? Usually defined as anal sex or oral sex. Not necessary gay sex. The sin of Sodom was not homosexuality (even though they rejected his daughter) but perversity. When you have anal sex, there basically isn't a comfortable position, and it has been used as a form of humiliation. Basically, "you're not a guy anymore, I've made you my woman." This is why God hates this. Oral sex? If you're okay with warts, go right ahead.

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Old 12-09-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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Thats mainly because homosexuality goes against what is natural, sex is for procreation, 2 of the same sex cannot create life. I think it is something we cannot comprehend, the way we view things and the way God views things are MUCH different, we are only aware of a small part of something much larger and complex
No, sex is NOT just for procreation. It is also an expression of intimacy and love.

If you really think that sex is only for *ahem* "business purposes" then your bedroom must be a rather boring place, indeed.

As far as homosexuality going against "what's natural," well, that's an absurd argument. For one thing, it's a fallacy because it assumes that everything natural is good and beneficial which is why going against nature is bad. Except .... cancer is natural and we don't say, "But going to the doctor to receive treatments from synthesized medications and unnatural technological machines is going against what nature intended!"

Secondly, who are you to say what is "natural?"

Anyone who claims being gay is a choice is just being stubborn, ignorant, and obtuse. They were born gay and, as such, their homosexuality is natural -- if we wish to play by your rules, that is.

Not to mention then 250+ species of animals, including some primates, which demonstrate homosexual behavior shows that "gayness" even occurs in .... well.... nature.

God doesn't view anything in any worthwhile way. Yahweh is a Hebrew god of war -- which is why Yahweh did nothing throughout the Old Testament except direct the Israelites to wage non-stop genocidal war on over two dozen cities. He's just an authoritarian bully whose morality is so vastly different than ours that it is impossible to square his atrocities with our moral compass.

Yet ... Christians simply give God a big pass on his perpetual murdering spree because, well, he's God and does't have to follow any rules.

Of course, if he doesn't have to follow any kind of moral system that is recognizeable to we humans, your God cannot be trusted. If he can murder us whenever he feels like it, he can certainly lie to us whenever he feels like it. Which means you cannot be certain that any of his promises are real or if he intends to keep them.

After all, if God's moral code says it's a good deed to send bears to tear apart 42 children simply for calling someone a name, it means that God's morality is diametrically opposite of any moral code WE would have.

Which, of course, suggests that there's nothing at all wrong with homosexuality since God's hatreds become meaningless

I know Christians like to pull out the "you can't possibly understand the mind of God" card during these types of discussions, but the truth is: In order to love God, it is necessary for us to *understand* God. If his ways are so alien that even the wanton slaughter of babies is considered "good" in God's eyes, then we couldn't possibly relate to him.

Remember that "relate" is the root word of "relationship" -- and if you cannot relate to God, you cannot possibly have a relationship with God.

What all of this means, essentially, is that the morality of God is worthless. Those rules were invented in a fearful era when slavery was still so common that no one even thought of freeing them, women were still worthless for anything other than giving birth to sons, and tribal warfare was rampant. Why would anyone want to take their moral directives from a tribe of Hebrews who committed over two dozen acts of genocide? May as well take your moral directives from Nazis, as far as I'm concerned.

Just let gays live their lives.
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I think the article speaks for itself. People's businesses have been destroyed by others with agendas of using the court system to attack them. It's not inconceivable that there would be this type of online registry and organized system to attack people that dare to disagree with the accepted beliefs of the left.
People's businesses weren't destroyed, though they were punished for breaking the law. It's awful hypocritical that you're all "law and order" when it comes to undocumented immigrants, but when it comes to this, it should be ok to break the law if someone's relationship offends you.
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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When you have anal sex, there basically isn't a comfortable position, and it has been used as a form of humiliation.
^^ Has never heard of cowgirl. Sad.
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Honestly, I feel like not all sex is created equal. Like God doesn't care one way or the other about homosexual/heterosexual oral sex, but cares greatly about anal sex.
...and just when did he tell you this?

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"You shall not lie with a man as with a woman."
Relates to temple prostitution.

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A The sin of Sodom was not homosexuality (even though they rejected his daughter) but perversity.
No it wasn't. It was being INHOSPITABLE.
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Old 12-10-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Maybe so, but I imagine rich and unscrupulous people literally do hire people on the dark web to take down unwanted businesses.

In other news
.



Honestly, I feel like not all sex is created equal. Like God doesn't care one way or the other about homosexual/heterosexual oral sex, but cares greatly about anal sex.

"You shall not lie with a man as with a woman."

When you have anal sex this is the equivalent of a typical sex act, only it can be done with either sex about the same way with a man. Whereas oral sex and penetrative sex varies based on your partner.

I would also like to reference the risk of STDs and the frequency specifically of serious disease. Hepatitis B (the worse one, as it causes chronic infection) and HIV are much more likely to happen from anal sex than oral. Oral sex, mainly has a risk of warts, herpes (it says rare, too), clamydia, and gonorrhea. Most of these are itching or rash. Versus life-threatening weakened immune system or chronic ailments.

SFCC :: STD Basics : STD Risks Chart

And just as a side-note, sodomy? Usually defined as anal sex or oral sex. Not necessary gay sex. The sin of Sodom was not homosexuality (even though they rejected his daughter) but perversity. When you have anal sex, there basically isn't a comfortable position, and it has been used as a form of humiliation. Basically, "you're not a guy anymore, I've made you my woman." This is why God hates this. Oral sex? If you're okay with warts, go right ahead.
There's no point in waving the Bible at us. Even if the Scripture does allow the anti gay interpretations of those with a particular beef about it, we couldn't care less as we credit the Bible's views on sexual relations as much as we do its' admonitions about Sabbath observance. Which is actually more than the religion do. We don't bother about the sabbath - just as Jesus instructs. But The Christians disregard Jesus and prefer the Laws of Moses, which I always though Jesus rendered obsolete, unless he endorsed one or other of them. The sabbath he goes out of his way to debunk. And yest the religious make it one of their dogma -points. And making it a different 7th day makes no difference.

So You may take scripture and stuff it (along with your strange conspiracy theories). The same sex issue has its' problems, but they won't be solves by ignoring it, trying to re -criminalize it or waving a book of old legends at it.
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Old 12-11-2017, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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...and just when did he tell you this?

Relates to temple prostitution.

No it wasn't. It was being INHOSPITABLE.
"Inhospitable" is hardly the term for domination by rape which appears to have been the practice of the city dwellers, but use the term in preference to the wildly prejudiced "homosexuality."
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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"Inhospitable" is hardly the term for domination by rape which appears to have been the practice of the city dwellers, but use the term in preference to the wildly prejudiced "homosexuality."

Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 They then called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may have relations with them.”

So you are saying that every single person dwelling in the city were gay rapists? Every single man, young and old, was homosexual?

See....

Ezekiel 16:49-50 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..."

Can you point out anything in that verse that indicates that the city was destroyed because every single man and boy was gay?
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