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Old 12-08-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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I was thinking today how I'm not drawn to people of certain faiths or atheists, but it's their values where I find the connection. People of the same religion can have extremely different values. So what ones are you drawn to?

Probably the most common values I find in my friends are:

1. Gratitude (often leads to happiness)

2. Humility (being open-minded, not having an over-inflated sense of self)

3. Intelligence (I enjoy growing / learning from others)

4. Kindness (love, compassion, desire to try to help end suffering)
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:01 PM
 
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I was thinking today how I'm not drawn to people of certain faiths or atheists, but it's their values where I find the connection. People of the same religion can have extremely different values. So what ones are you drawn to?

Probably the most common values I find in my friends are:

1. Gratitude (often leads to happiness)

2. Humility (being open-minded, not having an over-inflated sense of self)

3. Intelligence (I enjoy growing / learning from others)

4. Kindness (love, compassion, desire to try to help end suffering)
Those are all very good. I was at a fundraiser recently at a school and a group of children summed values I agree with the word UNITED.

U - be Unique
N - have No excuses
I - Inspire others (I would add, allow yourself to be inspired.)
T - be Teachable
E - Empathize
D - Do your best
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:43 PM
 
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I was thinking today how I'm not drawn to people of certain faiths or atheists, but it's their values where I find the connection. People of the same religion can have extremely different values. So what ones are you drawn to?

Probably the most common values I find in my friends are:

1. Gratitude (often leads to happiness)

2. Humility (being open-minded, not having an over-inflated sense of self)

3. Intelligence (I enjoy growing / learning from others)

4. Kindness (love, compassion, desire to try to help end suffering)
These, and many other, values are pretty much not only common in almost all religious based moral recommendations, but they can also be found in the lives of many Atheists and agnostics.

Not sure why you feel that these traits can only originate from people of different faiths (and you don't care about their faith)

Religious faith is primarily based TWO things IMO.

1 - Believing in the existence of your creator and life after death which could be very good, based on your efforts in this life. (Read no 2 below).

2 - Trying your best to live a peaceful and morally continous life (as per guided by your faith, and as per common moral conciousness of the society)

Atheists choose to be exempted from no 1; however, they can, (and many do) follow no 2.
And many who follow and supposedly believe in no 1, don't actually do much for no 2.

Not sure what are you trying to say in OP?

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Old 12-09-2017, 02:40 AM
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I was thinking today how I'm not drawn to people of certain faiths or atheists, but it's their values where I find the connection.
Their values are imbedded in their understanding and view of how they should live their life on this earth. Depending on their understanding and their knowledge, these could vary greatly.

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People of the same religion can have extremely different values. So what ones are you drawn to?
They can have extremely different values due to the variation in understanding of their religion. I look for sense of humanity in people. I find it in abundance in many people of a civilized society (whether religious or not) and lacking in backward, uneducated, corrupt and uncivilized societies.

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Probably the most common values I find in my friends are:

1. Gratitude (often leads to happiness)

2. Humility (being open-minded, not having an over-inflated sense of self)

3. Intelligence (I enjoy growing / learning from others)

4. Kindness (love, compassion, desire to try to help end suffering)
This is only part of the values. The main one is doing something that leaves a beneficial and lasting effect on not only people present but also on generations to come. Today's progressive and civilized societies were built on this principle. This is foundation of humanity and I admire and value it so much.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:14 AM
 
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These, and many other, values are pretty much not only common in almost all religious based moral recommendations, but they can also be found in the lives of many Atheists and agnostics.

Not sure why you feel that these traits can only originate from people of different faiths (and you don't care about their faith)

Religious faith is primarily based TWO things IMO.

1 - Believing in the existence of your creator and life after death which could be very good, based on your efforts in this life. (Read no 2 below).

2 - Trying your best to live a peaceful and morally continous life (as per guided by your faith, and as per common moral conciousness of the society)

Atheists choose to be exempted from no 1; however, they can, (and many do) follow no 2.
And many who follow and supposedly believe in no 1, don't actually do much for no 2.

Not sure what are you trying to say in OP?
I think you misinterpreted the (admittedly ambiguous) first sentence of the OP. He was trying to say that a person's religion or lack thereof is irrelevant; the values of an individual are what matter.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:56 AM
 
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It would still be impossible to please God with out faith , no matter how many morals people may have , as believing in God in faith goes beyond all the moral because gives trust in God and others some thing only the moralities of honor which many people in the world would lack
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Old 12-09-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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These, and many other, values are pretty much not only common in almost all religious based moral recommendations, but they can also be found in the lives of many Atheists and agnostics.

Not sure why you feel that these traits can only originate from people of different faiths (and you don't care about their faith)

Religious faith is primarily based TWO things IMO.

1 - Believing in the existence of your creator and life after death which could be very good, based on your efforts in this life. (Read no 2 below).

2 - Trying your best to live a peaceful and morally continous life (as per guided by your faith, and as per common moral conciousness of the society)

Atheists choose to be exempted from no 1; however, they can, (and many do) follow no 2.
And many who follow and supposedly believe in no 1, don't actually do much for no 2.

Not sure what are you trying to say in OP?
I was mostly just interested in peoples top values. I wasn't saying it's a one size fits all, or one religion / non-religion is lacking certain values. I wasn't trying to make a profound statement or dig too deep. Some of the responses want me to find out more though why people feel certain ways and if I can grow myself from it.

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Old 12-09-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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They can have extremely different values due to the variation in understanding of their religion. I look for sense of humanity in people. I find it in abundance in many people of a civilized society (whether religious or not) and lacking in backward, uneducated, corrupt and uncivilized societies.
Do you feel grateful because of it, or do you have angst for those less fortunate? If one can feel grateful from their situation, I definitely think it helps generate happiness.

And are you a proponent for more education, less corruption and more civility in our own society?
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:32 AM
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Do you feel grateful because of it, or do you have angst for those less fortunate?
I am grateful for people who worked hard not only for their own needs but for the benefits and needs of generations to come after them.

I wish there was a way to teach the less fortunate ones in the world how to at least work for themselves and earn honest living. Providing work for them is better than giving them free money.

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If one can feel grateful from their situation, I definitely think it helps generate happiness.
Making life easier for others is definitely worth working for. It is the purpose we humans are here for.

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And are you a proponent for more education, less corruption and more civility in our own society?
Absolutely! Education is a must. Corruption drives down values, peace and justice. A civilized society is for everyone and not just for a few.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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I am grateful for people who worked hard not only for their own needs but for the benefits and needs of generations to come after them.

I wish there was a way to teach the less fortunate ones in the world how to at least work for themselves and earn honest living. Providing work for them is better than giving them free money.
Society will never be perfect, things are more complex than simply working hard benefits society. Intelligence and selfless are critical too. Just think about people who are blessed with all 3 like Bill Gate and Warren Buffet and how they're helping save lives and end suffering.

And people can take advantage on both ends and everywhere in between. I definitely think there's more greed on one end which is more immoral to me than laziness. Not saying there's a right or wrong answer, it just shows how people can value things differently depending on their situation and who they're influenced by.

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