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Old 12-31-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.
A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.



Ancient upper class society was divided into 2 groups.
Soldiers whose job it was to enforce the laws of Civility & Teachers whose job it was to teach the laws of morality.

Religion is the bastard child of both of these groups and therefore combines characteristics of both. I would describe it as militaristic morality.
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:43 PM
 
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A theist is someone that believes that God exists.
An atheist is someone that believes God does not exist.
The truth is you shouldn't believe anything. You should always know.


If I have a coin with two heads and I flip it then I know that it will land heads.

If it has one heads and one Tails then I don't know what it will land but I still know the probability Is 50/50.

If I don't know how many heads or tails the coin has then I don't know what the probability is but I still know what the Bayesian probability is. Bayesian probability is the degree to which you expect something.

At no point is it necessary to believe anything.


Believing = thinking you know
Instead of "thinking you know" you should instead "know that you think" ( or more exactly "know that you expect")
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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Looks like you like that coin example.

Granpa, here's food for thought.
Humanity always was.
Civilizations cycle in roughly great cycles of about 12 000 years.
So do religions.
Some civilizations, like those of enlightened monarchs, had no religions. Enlightened civilization does not need a religion. It KNOWS, using your term.

I get what you say. I actually do. Only issue is, you have very limited concept of what human is, humanity is, world is. That pigeonholes you into very narrow mindset.

Work on it. Also, you finally started getting out of those charts of yours. Independent thinking is waking up?
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.
A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.



Ancient upper class society was divided into 2 groups.
Soldiers whose job it was to enforce the laws of Civility & Teachers whose job it was to teach the laws of morality.

Religion is the bastard child of both of these groups and therefore combines characteristics of both. I would describe it as militaristic morality.
give me washington, lincoln, Lee, and sherman any day of the week. They had a clear understanding of how things are. "deserves" got nothing to do with"it".
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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give me washington, lincoln, Lee, and sherman any day of the week. They had a clear understanding of how things are. "deserves" got nothing to do with"it".
I somewhat agree, at least with Washington. Our first leader was unlike all the rest. I love how he was against political parties, and tried to steer people away from that. Of course, people ignored his warnings and did it anyway over time.

Ben Franklin was another great man who could envision all the best of the country.

Militaristic morality has crept in strongly over the past 40 years. Look at the 80s, the Gulf War, the response to 9/11, the stirrings of antagonism and irritation of other countries this year.

This really is less of a religion/spirituality thread, and more of a History subforum thread.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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Only issue is, you have very limited concept of what human is, humanity is, world is. That pigeonholes you into very narrow mindset.
I have no idea what you were trying to say
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Work on it. Also, you finally started getting out of those charts of yours. Independent thinking is waking up?
If you wanted to know if I created those charts myself all you had to do was ask. There was no need to be sneaky about it.
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Old 01-01-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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What's there to call sneaky? And I really care less about those charts, though, from simple appreciation of effort put into them, they are grand. They remind me of sand mandalas. Maybe they should end same way?

As of #6. In order to understand how it all ticks, one needs to know knowledge on what a human is; what humanity is; how everything operates. Otherwise, one sees only one piece of mosaic called Reality. That's all I was saying. I finally started seeing some posts that look like they came from your heart, not just sand mandalas, copy pasted from place else. I hoped that you finally started developing your OWN thinking, not borrowed from dead scrolls. That's all I was saying. You last several posts... They are emotional. Something is changing in you.
This is good.

there is no reason to be offended. I'd take one honest post for ten borrowed wisdoms.
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:37 AM
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A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.
A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.



Ancient upper class society was divided into 2 groups.
Soldiers whose job it was to enforce the laws of Civility & Teachers whose job it was to teach the laws of morality.

Religion is the bastard child of both of these groups and therefore combines characteristics of both. I would describe it as militaristic morality.
You've got some interesting opinions here. Why should we believe them?
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Old 01-05-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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You've got some interesting opinions here. Why should we believe them?
A theist is someone that believes that God exists.
An atheist is someone that believes God does not exist.
The truth is you shouldn't believe anything. You should always know.


If I have a coin with two heads and I flip it then I know that it will land heads.

If it has one heads and one Tails then I don't know what it will land but I still know the probability Is 50/50.

If I don't know how many heads or tails the coin has then I don't know what the probability is but I still know what the Bayesian probability is.

At no point is it necessary to believe anything.
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