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Old 01-05-2018, 09:25 AM
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Your understanding of the movements in Judaism is incorrect. Unlike in the Christian denominations, we generally have the same beliefs across groups. Our differences are in how we understand Jewish law and how we apply it in our lives.
So, Orthodox, Hasidic, Reform Jews (per wikipedia--it says they're the "liberal branch") all have the exact same beliefs regarding Satan?
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Old 01-05-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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So, Orthodox, Hasidic, Reform Jews (per wikipedia--it says they're the "liberal branch") all have the exact same beliefs regarding Satan?
The Hasidim are Orthodox.

And yes, we generally have similar theological beliefs across the groups.
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Old 01-05-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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Thanks for popping in, JB...Good explanation....
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Old 01-08-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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To know their beliefs about satan, one needs to go all the way deep into Talmud, Kabbalah and Midrash. Don't fool yourself with what is "open to the public'.
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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To know their beliefs about satan, one needs to go all the way deep into Talmud, Kabbalah and Midrash. Don't fool yourself with what is "open to the public'.
and what is it? do tell
and links to sources please
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Old 01-09-2018, 12:17 AM
 
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Yea...Do tell...
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Y'all intelligent people. you can go and read what is available, with a bit of digging, for everyone. Mof, Tzap, you can ask your spiritual leader yourself. No need to ask me or for sources. Spoon feeding develops mind laziness.
But keep in mind one thing. Before any word was written, it was spoken. And it was spoken for much much longer, than it was written. Oral tradition supersedes any written source in the so called Judaism, as it was way before Judah and his sons.

John 1:1. WORD. IDEA. The original source.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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Ah well..

There are two Adams. One is The Light Adam. Spiritual man that was created in god's image. The other one, is one made out inferior materiel, dust of earth. that Adam is man of senses, of mundane, of physical, of earthly. It is, basically, everything The Light Adam lacks.
Every human existing now, is both. Has both. Challenge is for a human to return to its true self, The Light Adam. Overcome the second, earth adam in him.
That force, opposite to The Light in us, is considered a "satan" in "judaism". It is not an outside creature. Just as we have a god within, so do we have a devil within. What wins, it is our free will.

Q: Does Satan exist?
A: There is only one Force, and it is called the Creator. It aspires to bring man to the best possible situation. But that power works on man as two opposite forces, because the attributes of the Creator and those of the creature are opposite to one another.
To the extent that we become corrupted, we feel the positive force acting on us as negative. But after we correct ourselves, we feel it as positive. We ourselves determine if the force is negative or positive, depending on our correction, our spirituality.
We call the negative force, “Satan,” but whatever we name the forces, they are inside us, not outside.


this is what Kabbalah says, and Kabbalah is mother to the rest of it.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:11 AM
 
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Y'all intelligent people. you can go and read what is available, with a bit of digging, for everyone. Mof, Tzap, you can ask your spiritual leader yourself. No need to ask me or for sources. Spoon feeding develops mind laziness.
But keep in mind one thing. Before any word was written, it was spoken. And it was spoken for much much longer, than it was written. Oral tradition supersedes any written source in the so called Judaism, as it was way before Judah and his sons.

John 1:1. WORD. IDEA. The original source.
So, what you're telling us is that you have nothing...
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:13 AM
 
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Ah well..

There are two Adams. One is The Light Adam. Spiritual man that was created in god's image. The other one, is one made out inferior materiel, dust of earth. that Adam is man of senses, of mundane, of physical, of earthly. It is, basically, everything The Light Adam lacks.
Every human existing now, is both. Has both. Challenge is for a human to return to its true self, The Light Adam. Overcome the second, earth adam in him.
That force, opposite to The Light in us, is considered a "satan" in "judaism". It is not an outside creature. Just as we have a god within, so do we have a devil within. What wins, it is our free will.

Q: Does Satan exist?
A: There is only one Force, and it is called the Creator. It aspires to bring man to the best possible situation. But that power works on man as two opposite forces, because the attributes of the Creator and those of the creature are opposite to one another.
To the extent that we become corrupted, we feel the positive force acting on us as negative. But after we correct ourselves, we feel it as positive. We ourselves determine if the force is negative or positive, depending on our correction, our spirituality.
We call the negative force, “Satan,” but whatever we name the forces, they are inside us, not outside.


this is what Kabbalah says, and Kabbalah is mother to the rest of it.
You can't even understand the Torah properly and you're going to attempt to disseminate the Kabbalah?...
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