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What do you mean 'legal sect'? Who says it's legal?
Israel became a province of Judaism after in 6.D. Roma would not tolerate an unauthorized religion and so Christianity was a legal authorized religion under the umbrella of Rome and authorized to continue under the past legal battles Paul had and others. Rome Knew right away this would become a problem and so we find Jewish sources and Roma sources trying to separate the Gentile convert to Judaism. This was accomplished in Hadrian's day, and it made perfect common sense as it did to Jeroboam the first king of the Northern kingdom who also changed the feasts and thus stopping the people to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem where ASSUREDLY Jerusalem would have become the holy capitol of the world, and the Jewish priests would have been the authorities of all people.
Rome was desperate to stop the Roman to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem lest the law would soon proceed from Jerusalem, and this was a given. But the Orthodox Jew didn't want the Christian and Rome was desperate until the burning of the great synagogue and this was the final nail in the coffin that stopped Gentiles from converting to Judaism.
It was no secret. We've been telling you long enough. You just had your fingers stuffed in your ears.
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Well, until science can tell us how something comes from nothing, design is the only explanation.
Wrong. Until we have an explanation (1), "Don't Know" is the corect answer , not "Goddunnit". That basic fallacy of you theists is why you can never get it right, even if you argues correctly and logically, which by and large, you don't. No wonder we minority dissenters sweep the boards.
(1) the ultra -perceptive will have noticed that I have a keyboard problem with a sticky "X"
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Israel became a province of Judaism after in 6.D. Roma would not tolerate an unauthorized religion and so Christianity was a legal authorized religion under the umbrella of Rome and authorized to continue under the past legal battles Paul had and others. Rome Knew right away this would become a problem and so we find Jewish sources and Roma sources trying to separate the Gentile convert to Judaism. This was accomplished in Hadrian's day, and it made perfect common sense as it did to Jeroboam the first king of the Northern kingdom who also changed the feasts and thus stopping the people to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem where ASSUREDLY Jerusalem would have become the holy capitol of the world, and the Jewish priests would have been the authorities of all people.
Rome was desperate to stop the Roman to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem lest the law would soon proceed from Jerusalem, and this was a given. But the Orthodox Jew didn't want the Christian and Rome was desperate until the burning of the great synagogue and this was the final nail in the coffin that stopped Gentiles from converting to Judaism.
I have to disagree. Judaism was a permitted religion so long as they sacrificed to the Emperor in Rome, paid their taxes and kept the peace, or at least did not side with the rebels when Rome put them down.
But this was breaking down. Not only had the Pharisees not been enthusiastic about Roman rule (1) but a delegation of Jews and Samaritans was sent to Rome to complain to Tiberius about Pilate's rough methods. That was when Pilate was recalled.
So much we can get from Josephus, but I suggest that Jesus' party (the Nazorenes) looked just as suspicious to Rime as John's 'repentance' movement looked to Antipas. It was a movement within the Pharisee ambit (2) and was, I propose, closely allied with the zealots.
I even have a strong suspicion that the Qumran 'monastery' and the cache of scrolls was not Essene, as is assumed, but Nazorene zealot.
(1) the Nativity debate with Pneuma showed up the interesting note in Josephus that 6,000 Pharisees in Judea (that is, all of them) refused to take the Augustan oath and were fined. That was before Judea became a Roman province, so a similar act after 6 AD would have been regarded as rebellion.
Saul, as a Pharisee Roman citizen was opposed to the Nazorenes as was the Sanhedrin which was really part of the Roman provincial administration.
(2) the ongoing hostility in the gospels reflects Paulinist Greek Christian wrangling with the Pharisees who observed the Law, and in no way reflects the views of Jesus, who as a Pharisee Jew himself would have observed the mosaic Law., and so would his followers.
It was no secret. We've been telling you long enough. You just had your fingers stuffed in your ears.
Wrong. Until we have an explanation (1), "Don't Know" is the corect answer , not "Goddunnit". That basic fallacy of you theists is why you can never get it right, even if you argues correctly and logically, which by and large, you don't. No wonder we minority dissenters sweep the boards.
(1) the ultra -perceptive will have noticed that I have a keyboard problem with a sticky "X"
Why is design not a plausible answer? It certainly would explain a lot.
I have to disagree. Judaism was a permitted religion so long as they sacrificed to the Emperor in Rome, paid their taxes and kept the peace, or at least did not side with the rebels when Rome put them down.
But this was breaking down. Not only had the Pharisees not been enthusiastic about Roman rule (1) but a delegation of Jews and Samaritans was sent to Rome to complain to Tiberius about Pilate's rough methods. That was when Pilate was recalled.
So much we can get from Josephus, but I suggest that Jesus' party (the Nazorenes) looked just as suspicious to Rime as John's 'repentance' movement looked to Antipas. It was a movement within the Pharisee ambit (2) and was, I propose, closely allied with the zealots.
I even have a strong suspicion that the Qumran 'monastery' and the cache of scrolls was not Essene, as is assumed, but Nazorene zealot.
(1) the Nativity debate with Pneuma showed up the interesting note in Josephus that 6,000 Pharisees in Judea (that is, all of them) refused to take the Augustan oath and were fined. That was before Judea became a Roman province, so a similar act after 6 AD would have been regarded as rebellion.
Saul, as a Pharisee Roman citizen was opposed to the Nazorenes as was the Sanhedrin which was really part of the Roman provincial administration.
(2) the ongoing hostility in the gospels reflects Paulinist Greek Christian wrangling with the Pharisees who observed the Law, and in no way reflects the views of Jesus, who as a Pharisee Jew himself would have observed the mosaic Law., and so would his followers.
Sounds like you are saying the same thing, I mean we are both aware that Rome didn't like Judaism, but as far as the law was concerned, Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism no matter what their name was. They acted in accordance with the law, and as Paul did, they always proved who their own authorities were when they submitted to the priests of Judaism. Many Jews did not want these converts and after the Jewish war, it became a very dangerous thing for a Gentile to keep Jewish feasts that taught of a Jewish Messiah. Rome MUST have been certain of one thing, as they watched all those Romans become Christian at some point, they knew they had to separate the Gentile convert to Judaism, from Judaism, and that is why an agreement was struck, that strand of Christians accepted the Saturnalia in place of Sukkot, or Easter instead of Passover, after all, that is what took place. Christianity began in Judaism with Passover, Pentecost, and Sukkot, but they were not brave enough to continue looking like the Jew. The Jew was hated after the war, but a Gentile following Jewish ways was hated all the more. Gentile Christians being blamed for the fire of the great synagogue is what finally broke Gentiles away from Jews.
LOL! I don’t care what you think about me as a poster.
There is no other possibility. You and I both know that.
In more than one way, no we don't both know that.
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