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Old 01-10-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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I think the sin of "Adam" in the Cain and Abel story is just a retelling of the fall of Adam in the prior chapter. Adam and Eve both wanted to have control over other people. That is what the Law was all about. Making and writing more and more laws as a way of control. Those in power need to maintain that power which eventually leads to war.

Women are attracted to men with power. Maybe some of them actually HELP their men in their ambitions.

The typical preacher's wife is no different if she and her man can make a living off of the work of the everyday working people. That's just on a smaller scale.
That hardly works in terms of religion, because the law was given as a moral code by God, not Adam, nor indeed Moses himself.

And if you are Not a Bible -believer, then the Adam story nor for that matter the commandments given by Moses, mean much.

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Just saying...I'd believe Jesus over you.
Yes, just as some religious believe Genesis over the scientific evidence. What you personally prefer to believe cuts precious little ice. I'd credit Shiorman's reading over your Faith in Bible literalism, but everyone has to make up their own minds.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Just saying...I'd believe Jesus over you.
Would you believe "some guy" who claimed to speak for Jesus? Because that's who you are believing if you are talking about the gospels.

How is that any different from believing anyone else?
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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Have you read the Bible?

Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’"
Have you read Mark Twain? The character of Huck Finn attests to some of the actions of Tom Sawyer in a prior book. That doesn't prove that the stories were true, does it?

It's simply one fictional character referring to another.

Do ANY of the stories in the Bible claim to be true anywhere? No. They're just stories. Possibly historical fiction at best. You know that.

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Old 01-10-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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That hardly works in terms of religion, because the law was given as a moral code by God, not Adam, nor indeed Moses himself.

And if you are Not a Bible -believer, then the Adam story nor for that matter the commandments given by Moses, mean much.
It's called reading between the lines. Do you realize many modern scholars think that the Garden of Eden was actually an allegory for the first temple? Do you really not have an imagination? How can you only approach it from such a literal way?
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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Does the stories in the Bible claim to be true anywhere? No. They're just stories. Possibly historical fiction at best. You know that.
If what you say is true, then how do you explain the long held temple record with its Jewish ancestral listing starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 through chapter 9. I find the first person listed is named: Adam as a real person.
Please Notice that Ezra considers Adam to be a real person. If Adam was Not real then none of those people listed were real persons.
In connection to Jesus, gospel writer Luke also named Adam as being a real person at Luke 3:38.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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If what you say is true, then how do you explain the long held temple record with its Jewish ancestral listing starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 through chapter 9. I find the first person listed is named: Adam as a real person.
Please Notice that Ezra considers Adam to be a real person. If Adam was Not real then none of those people listed were real persons.
In connection to Jesus, gospel writer Luke also named Adam as being a real person at Luke 3:38.
The genealogies were made up! Do you really think that Adam and Noah were real people? They might have mixed in some real names, but these Bible writers were just master storytellers.

Do you really think the stories about David written long after his Psalms could have possibly been realistic? Think about it! It's not even possible!
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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It's called reading between the lines. Do you realize many modern scholars think that the Garden of Eden was actually an allegory for the first temple? Do you really not have an imagination? How can you only approach it from such a literal way?
What do many so-called modern scholars have to do with what the Bible really teaches.
Jesus and the Bible writers believed Eden to be a real place on Earth as per Genesis 2:10-14
Luke approached Eden (as in Adam) in a literal way at Luke 3:38.
Ezra approached Adam as a literal person at 1 Chronicles 1:1 naming Adam as the first ancestral person.
Jesus referring to Genesis 2:24 believed Eden to be a real place on Earth in a literal way.
Those modern scholars might think their thoughts, but they do Not teach what the Bible really teaches.
If you say the Bible, with its many harmonious cross-reference verses and passages, are just stories by tellers, then why can't the many so-called modern scholars also believe what they teach are just their stories out of their imaginations.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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Quite so...but here we are with people even claiming that the Earth is flat.
Unreal is it not?
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:31 PM
 
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It's called reading between the lines. Do you realize many modern scholars think that the Garden of Eden was actually an allegory for the first temple? Do you really not have an imagination? How can you only approach it from such a literal way?
This is the underlying problem in any discussion about the Bible. In one survey, 56% of Americans said they believed that Adam and Eve were real individuals. Other Christians say A&E are allegories. Christians can't have it both ways. It's one or the other, not both.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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This is the underlying problem in any discussion about the Bible. In one survey, 56% of Americans said they believed that Adam and Eve were real individuals. Other Christians say A&E are allegories. Christians can't have it both ways. It's one or the other, not both.
Jesus' forewarns us that there are fake ' weed/tares' so-called Christians growing along with the the genuine ' wheat ' Christians until the harvest time.
As we know a harvest comes at the end of a growing season and Not earlier.
So, we are nearing that harvest time, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Since Jesus believed Adam to be real, gospel writer Luke believed Adam to be real at Luke 3:38, and Ezra believed Adam to be real at 1 Chronicles 1:1, then genuine ' wheat ' Christians also believe Adam was a real person.
God's purpose according to Genesis 1:28 is that we all be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
So, according to Scripture we all go back to one of Noah's sons then to Noah and from Noah back to Adam.
Please keep in mind the words of Matthew 7:21-23 because Jesus informs us that MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove false.
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