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Old 01-13-2018, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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And Paul can kiss my ass.
There is a reason that I so dislike the Old Testament, but so like the teachings of Jesus. The former seems quite devoid of compassion, while the latter is filled with compassion. You've been on a tear in this last series of posts, and what I see is a total lack of New Testament compassion. Honestly, I think you need to take a breather and read something like the Sermon On The Mount.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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It is a book, it cannot talk.
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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You must have missed that page.
And you must have missed the part where I clearly stated that I am not a theist.

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A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.
A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.

Ancient upper class society was divided into 2 groups.
1) Soldiers (police) whose job it was to enforce the laws of Civility
2) Teachers whose job it was to teach the laws of morality.

Religion is the bastard child that combines characteristics of both to create a sort of militant morality.

The world needs police. The world needs teachers. The world doesn't need religion.
The world needs miltary. The world needs morality. The world doesn't need militant morality.


A theist is someone that believes that God exists.
An atheist is someone that believes God does not exist.
The truth is you shouldn't believe anything. You should always know.

How is it possible to always know? Here is an example:

If I have a coin with two heads and I flip it then I KNOW that it will land heads.

If it has one heads and one Tails then I don't know what it will land but I still KNOW the probability Is 50/50.

If I don't know how many heads or tails the coin has then I don't know what the probability is but I still KNOW what the Bayesian probability is. Bayesian probability is the degree to which you expect something.

At no point is it necessary to believe anything.

Believing = thinking you know.

Instead of "thinking you know" you should instead "KNOW that you think" ( or more exactly "know that you expect")


"Beware," Jesus warned them. "Watch out for the reverse psychology of the Pharisees (Fundamentalist Theists) and that of Herod (Fundamentalist Atheists)".

Atheists arent stupid.
Indeed, like the serpent, they are more crafty than any beast of the field.
They know that people are going to do the opposite of whatever they tell them to do.
That is the real reason why fundamentalist atheists relentlessly attack and ridicule fundamentalism.
Why else would they be so obnoxious about it?
The truth is they don't care whether you become a Fundamentalist atheist or a fundamentalist theist.
Just as long as you become a Fundamentalist like them.

Strip Atheism of all fundamentalism and all you have left is Empiricism.
Strip Theism of all fundamentalism and all you have left is Rationalism

Something is empirical if it conforms to observation.
Something is rational if it conforms to the laws of cause and effect


El-o-Hym = ολω-Hym = All-Human = No ego

El = ολως = All = Infinity
"Human" is used here in the sense of "Logical" as opposed to "Animals" which are illogical.

Logos means "worder" which means "human" (since animals dont speak).
The Logos of God is infinitely Logical (having no ego) and hence an All-Human or El-o-Hym.

John 1:
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with All-Human, and the Logos was All-Human;

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...wed_in_frame=0

human (adj.)
mid-15c., humain, humaigne, "human," from Old French humain, umain (adj.) "of or belonging to man" (12c.), from Latin humanus "of man, human," also "humane, philanthropic, kind, gentle, polite; learned, refined, civilized."

This is in part from PIE *(dh)ghomon-, literally "earthling, earthly being," as opposed to the gods (from root *dhghem- "earth"), but there is no settled explanation of the sound changes involved.

Compare Hebrew adam "man," from adamah "ground." Cognate with Old Lithuanian žmuo (accusative žmuni) "man, male person." 


A person with no ego would not require sleep.
A crucified person stood on a small platform with their arms stretched outward horizontally.
As long as they were awake they could support their weight on their feet but as soon as they fell asleep all of their weight went on to their arms causing intense pain which would wake them back up. 

No I am not an All-Human.
I definitely require sleep.


4 stages of human evolution:
1) undomesticated
2) domesticated (Adam means domesticated)
3) all-human
4) autistic


Ages of man:
Gold (domesticated)
Silver
Copper
Bronze
Iron
Diamond (all-human)

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/User:Granpa
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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There is a reason that I so dislike the Old Testament, but so like the teachings of Jesus. The former seems quite devoid of compassion, while the latter is filled with compassion. You've been on a tear in this last series of posts, and what I see is a total lack of New Testament compassion. Honestly, I think you need to take a breather and read something like the Sermon On The Mount.
Where do you think Jesus got his teachings from? What is it you think Christ taught that is not found in the OT? Almost everything Christ taught can be found in the OT. God said thou shat not kill, then men as gods said: God said to go kill the Canaanites and steal the land we covet and have no mercy, kill man, woman, and child...and kill all the animals...if it has the breath of life: Kill it!

God said keep and do the commandments, tie them to your wrists, put them as a adornment between your eyes, post them on your door posts. Men as gods say: huh, you know what we say and do: Break the commandments of God.

Jesus could tell the difference, he knew God. Everything Christ did you can find it in the OT. And everything that men did you can find it in the OT too. Trouble is, you can't tell the good from the evil in the OT. Take the spirit of Jesus with you when you read the OT and avoid all that contrary narrative like Christ did. Jesus knew to avoid eating the bitter and ate the sweet.

God told us to keep certain commandments for blessings, Christ tells us to keep certain commandments to inherit the kingdom of God: Do this, and see how far you can get before you realize you have a problem doing everything done in the OT. Who, or what strange god is it telling them to have no mercy and make war? Christ? God? or Men as gods?

The Bible is a book of God vs. Men as gods...and he expects you to learn the difference. Is that too much to ask?
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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Where do you think Jesus got his teachings from? What is it you think Christ taught that is not found in the OT? Almost everything Christ taught can be found in the OT. God said thou shat not kill, then men as gods said: God said to go kill the Canaanites and steal the land we covet and have no mercy, kill man, woman, and child...and kill all the animals...if it has the breath of life: Kill it!

God said keep and do the commandments, tie them to your wrists, put them as a adornment between your eyes, post them on your door posts. Men as gods say: huh, you know what we say and do: Break the commandments of God.

Jesus could tell the difference, he knew God. Everything Christ did you can find it in the OT. And everything that men did you can find it in the OT too. Trouble is, you can't tell the good from the evil in the OT. Take the spirit of Jesus with you when you read the OT and avoid all that contrary narrative like Christ did. Jesus knew to avoid eating the bitter and ate the sweet.

God told us to keep certain commandments for blessings, Christ tells us to keep certain commandments to inherit the kingdom of God: Do this, and see how far you can get before you realize you have a problem doing everything done in the OT. Who, or what strange god is it telling them to have no mercy and make war? Christ? God? or Men as gods?

The Bible is a book of God vs. Men as gods...and he expects you to learn the difference. Is that too much to ask?
In the OT, God did not even keep his own commandments. Do we really need to go over in this thread all the times God resorted to violence and murder?

I do not hear Jesus advising people to commit the kind of violence that is seen in the OT.

But okay, I'll take your word for it. Jesus taught the same thing the OT taught. Therefore, I no longer respect the message of Christ.

Thank you for clarifying my thinking.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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It is a book, it cannot talk.
Words can't speak? Can you hear me? How about now: CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
Nonetheless, these words
here or in any book has the potential to speak and tell things long after we are all dead and gone. Socrates is still able to speak today if you stumble upon his words and have the ability to read...or hear...or understand.

+ believe it or not, today we do have talking books. Audio books.




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