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Old 01-13-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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Atheists, who is your favorite non-believer historically and what did they accomplish that makes you admire them?

Believers, who is your favorite Believer historically and what did they accomplish that you admire?

A picture is worth many words so feel free to add a pic.
well, I would point to the the good people and bad people.

anti-religious socialism real bad.

theists dictatorships real bad.

left center capitalist, perfect. well, not perfect, but very good with the evolutionary limits placed on us.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Atheists, who is your favorite non-believer historically and what did they accomplish that makes you admire them?

Believers, who is your favorite Believer historically and what did they accomplish that you admire?

A picture is worth many words so feel free to add a pic.
Maybe you should not focus so much on what other people -- believers or atheists -- have done historically, and instead concentrate on what you have done that has made a difference in the world.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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Atheists, who is your favorite non-believer historically and what did they accomplish that makes you admire them?

Believers, who is your favorite Believer historically and what did they accomplish that you admire?

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Lowered the value of life, caused division, 100 million dead the last 100 years or so.....just little things like that.
BF he asked us to include the name of out favorites not just what they did. That describes way too many Christians for us to be expected to know who you are talking about.

I like Micheal Shermer because that's the guy from the TedTalk that explained to me what my mind was doing. I was mad at him for an hour or so but I had to admit he was right.

https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_sh...strange_things
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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Atheists, who is your favorite non-believer historically and what did they accomplish that makes you admire them?

Believers, who is your favorite Believer historically and what did they accomplish that you admire?

A picture is worth many words so feel free to add a pic.
Due to a long history of shaming, lampooning, and buffoonery; many atheists throughout history simply "stayed in the closet". That fact alone makes this thread quite pointless. The ONLY atheists we know about historically are the ones who were brave enough to identify as being atheist. Most were NOT that brave and often identified as theists because let's face it; theism is more popular.

With that said, my favorite atheist is Mother Teresa. She is a perfect example of someone who put on a God-believing-front simply to appease the masses.

Mother Teresa Did Not Feel Christ's Presence for Last Half of Her Life, Letters Reveal

And after doing some research on MLK, it seems that he didn't accept the biblical stories as historical facts. Quite a few astute Christian publications have accurately pointed this out about MLK (and they also threw in their beliefs that MLK was the "Anti-Christ"). Anti-Christ nonsense aside, feel free to research MLK's non-literal biblical views. Also research his non-belief in the divinity of Jesus.

And last but not least, there's President Obama. He identified as a Christian (no surprise there) but he certainly speaks like an agnostic.

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Old 01-13-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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Lowered the value of life, caused division, 100 million dead the last 100 years or so.....just little things like that.
I agree except that you spelt 'Theists' with an a.



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Quote by Darwin:

"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" Darwin


Darwin was actually an agnostic, not an atheist. Your perception and knowledge of factual history appears to be lacking.
I got news for you I am agnostic, too. And so are you. You are a Theistic agnostic and I am an atheist agnostic, as was, I believe, Darwin, in the end (1). And I am inclined to agree with Darwin that we don't know and may never know the mystery of the start of all things. My perception and knowledge of what you call the 'factual history' here is probably better than yours, and I think you have some learning to do.

(1) and to save you any embarrassment (if that is a concept that the true Believer even understands) I suggests that you should not field the 'Darwin recanted on his deathbed' claim.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Please provide proof Hitler was a Christian. Everything I've seen was that he was into the occult and hated Christianity.
I can provide convincing evidence that Hitler was a believer in God and rejected atheism and swore to stamp it out. He was convinced that he was doing God's work. I would agree that he was not a Christian as such, though he did believe in Jesus, more or less. But he despised Christianity as weak and rather thought it was a pity Europe had not been converted to Islam. You can look this stuff up yourself if you just Google a few quotes of Hitler on God, Hitler on atheism and Hitler on Christianity. But if that is too much trouble or you would rather not not look at what conflicts with your convictions, I will provide. And I would suggest that you don't try to pull the 'Hitler may have said that, but he really meant the opposite" ploy, unless you want to become a laughing -stock.

Here are a couple.

“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out” [2]~Adolf Hitler


There are a lot of cheats by the religions. The Vatican propaganda machine for instance debunks the claim that Hitler remained a catholic. Which is probably fair enough. But they leave it there hoping that people will assume that atheism is wrong about Hitler believing God, too. In fact Hitler could and would work with the Churches, including the Vatican, whose record during the Nazi rule is not spotless.

Hitler did believe in Astrology. So did Isaac Newton, and Alchemy, too, and the Book of Daniel. Thing is, that while he was wonderfully sound on stuff that he could practically work with, he was a crackpot on things that had no basis in fact.

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Old 01-13-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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I owe you an apology BF. I assumed you were describing a Christian and it could have been from any religious group you chose your favorite. It seems I ascribed tribalism to you so I'm sorry. I'll ask again...which believer are you describing because it's even harder to narrow it down now.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:20 PM
 
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Self righteous atheists are proud of their religion and apparently think it it best for everyone.

So the question begs, What exactly have Atheists accomplished for the United States with their thinking?
Before we can answer that question, we would have to agree on what an atheist is and how an atheist thinks. An atheist simply exists without the belief in a higher being he/she must worship. By THAT definition, God (assuming that he/she is real) was the first atheist in existence. Think about it....
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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Self righteous atheists are proud of their religion and apparently think it it best for everyone.

So the question begs, What exactly have Atheists accomplished for the United States with their thinking?
I'd say something basic and valuable. The truth. It is indeed arguable whether the revolution and separation of church and state (thanks more to atheist thought than religious thought) has given the US a protection against religious domination, or whether it has led to the the present genesis literalist cult that threatens education, politics and law. But since we have that situation, atheists have, on all reason and evidence, the truth. And you can't buy that with all the free rice and Bibles in the world.
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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I can't provide proof of that and he may well have been an atheist. He claimed to be and behaved pretty much like many other so called Christians who seem to genuinely believe in God. I say so called Christians because these people never actually refer to Jesus, only God. Perhaps they are only churchmen?

So, may we hear what Christians have done to improve our world?

Here's one of my guys.
Albert Einstein was NOT an Atheist, you fail again. Come back with proof or facts that he was! Atheists are sick and self-loathing/serving people that use the faux-religion of Atheism to boost their ego and make them feel more intelligent than Believers because in FACT Believers have done infinitely more for the human race already than Atheists ever will.

There are good and not so good people in life, A world of Atheists would not solve any problems but only make it worse. They are full of nonsense and ignorance.
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