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Old 01-21-2018, 10:45 PM
 
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Nate was answering a question, NOT asking one, Arq. Of course, he sees a problem here.
Right. It Looked like he was saying that the delusion was invalid (assuming one supposes it was - if you believe in yours why wouldn't you believe in his?) and his actions wrong...but what's the problem? There wasn't any harm done, was there?

If he'd have gone on to explain what the harm was, that would have saved me a post. But I'm awaiting his confirmation that your reading was right and that mine was wrong.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Nate was answering a question, NOT asking one, Arq. Of course, he sees a problem here.
Uh .... Arq QUOTED a QUESTION and RESPONDED to it.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Uh .... Arq QUOTED a QUESTION and RESPONDED to it.
Uh, Nate highlighted a question and responded to it.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Many people use their supposed religion to cover for their unhinged behavior. Some will say, oh those people are not really Christian. But many are.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Many people use their supposed religion to cover for their unhinged behavior. Some will say, oh those people are not really Christian. But many are.
For some I think religion is the reason for the beliefs that lead to unhinged behavior. How long could you stay sane if someone had convinced you that you were part of a small elite group and Satan and the government was out to get you? Plus they isolate with other like minded people and the belief gets reinforced.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Land of the Tonkawa and Kiowa
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Being "active" does not equate to being "wise" or "intelligent". There are plenty of active thieves, active scammers, active scumball politicians, etc. God wants us active, but also using our brains for the improvement of ourselves and those around us. The end result is as important as the activeness.

People who are active in a knee-jerk and impulsive way are often the biggest hazards to society. And that includes many nutcases who use religion to justify their actions, including abortion clinic bombings, harassing groups they don't like, and 9/11. It's all part of the same personal irresponsibility. God/Allah/whoever isn't going to be the scapegoat.

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Old 01-22-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Everyone who questions why atheists are active and vocal about the influence of religion in this country needs to read this.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/judge-inte...164050271.html


"A Texas state judge says that God called on him to intervene and ask the jury to deliver a not guilty verdict in a sex trafficking case.


The Comal County Judge Jack Robison reportedly told jurors last week that when “God tells me I gotta do something, I gotta do it.”


Robison asked jurors for a not guilty verdict in the case of a woman accused of trafficking an underage girl, according to The Dallas Morning News."
Really, and exactly how did religion influence anything in this case? The jury still returned a guilty verdict. All I see here is one judge out of many Christian judges across this land who unethically tried to influence the jury vote. The problem with these type of news stories is we don't get all the facts. The judge could have been suffering from un-diagnosed dementia. We don't even get an explanation why the judge felt a not guilty verdict was needed. Christians should be aware that we live in an age of false Christs and you don't just blindly follow a direction that comes into your mind. Satan can deceive us that way. God will never contradict His Word and thus never tell us to do something that is immoral and wrong.

IF we go the other direction and have atheists in law making and judicial positions then we have set forth a course down a foggy road of progressive moralism by which outside of the evidence, a judge rules based on his consciousness which is something that evolve with culture and popular opinion. A natural law which our founding fathers including Jefferson supported is the only way to preserve morality and fairness in our laws.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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Uh, Nate highlighted a question and responded to it.
Perhaps Mystic is right and I misunderstood that you did see q problem with the Judge's actions.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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Really, and exactly how did religion influence anything in this case? The jury still returned a guilty verdict. All I see here is one judge out of many Christian judges across this land who unethically tried to influence the jury vote. The problem with these type of news stories is we don't get all the facts. The judge could have been suffering from un-diagnosed dementia. We don't even get an explanation why the judge felt a not guilty verdict was needed. Christians should be aware that we live in an age of false Christs and you don't just blindly follow a direction that comes into your mind. Satan can deceive us that way. God will never contradict His Word and thus never tell us to do something that is immoral and wrong.

IF we go the other direction and have atheists in law making and judicial positions then we have set forth a course down a foggy road of progressive moralism by which outside of the evidence, a judge rules based on his consciousness which is something that evolve with culture and popular opinion. A natural law which our founding fathers including Jefferson supported is the only way to preserve morality and fairness in our laws.
Jeff, the Jury had to defy the Judge in order to see that justice was done. That' means the Judge really ought to be removed. I'm glad at least that you see that you can't find much of a difference between thinking that God is speaking to you and dementia. I can't, either.

Sit and have a think about what you know, deep down inside. It didn't even occur to you to think that, if God told him so, he must be right. God's morality, not human morality. You don't really believe it, do you? No more than we do.

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Old 01-22-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Really, and exactly how did religion influence anything in this case? The jury still returned a guilty verdict. All I see here is one judge out of many Christian judges across this land who unethically tried to influence the jury vote. The problem with these type of news stories is we don't get all the facts. The judge could have been suffering from un-diagnosed dementia. We don't even get an explanation why the judge felt a not guilty verdict was needed. Christians should be aware that we live in an age of false Christs and you don't just blindly follow a direction that comes into your mind. Satan can deceive us that way. God will never contradict His Word and thus never tell us to do something that is immoral and wrong.

IF we go the other direction and have atheists in law making and judicial positions then we have set forth a course down a foggy road of progressive moralism by which outside of the evidence, a judge rules based on his consciousness which is something that evolve with culture and popular opinion. A natural law which our founding fathers including Jefferson supported is the only way to preserve morality and fairness in our laws.
How are we supposed to tell when a Christian is sane or suffering from dementia?

When you tell me that God will punish you for baking a cake for the wrong person that sounds pretty demented to me. How do we separate the crazy from the normal when it all sounds crazy to someone outside the fundie faith bubble?
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