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Old 01-25-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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1) Anger is anger. You can't have a special definition of it for god

2) A child gets angry because it doesn't expect to be restricted, or expects to get away with ignoring a restriction. The basic mechanism still holds.

3) You may be laboring under the misconception that there are special kinds of justified anger such as "righteous indignation" but they are just specific / detailed reasons for generic anger. In this case, "righteous" expectations are violated. I expected obedience, didn't get it.
1- I did not give a special definition. I just said our anger comes from Him.

2- Parents can get angry when children do what is not expected, even when a child is prone to disobedience (anger not unexpected).

3- I am just talking general anger... not any of the actions or repercussions that result.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Isn't God on a much higher level than a parent? God can predict outcomes as well as create them. How can a parent with those powers get angry? I'm a father of 3 and I WISHED that I had those powers sometimes.

At any rate, I do like your God-parent analogy. You see "us vs angry God" as "teen/child vs angry parent". I see it as "new born baby vs angry parent". In my world view, something is wrong with the parent.
Of course God is on a higher level... that doesn't mean He is beyond anger.

God gives us a measure of free will. If He values love, then there has to be the existence of free will - otherwise we are a bunch of robots who simply follows orders. He wants people to love Him on their own. That also means there is the choice to not love Him and be disobedient to Him.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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He wants people to love Him on their own. That also means there is the choice to not love Him and be disobedient to Him.
Which would not anger him as it's entirely expected, is no threat to him, and he would not let it interfere with his benevolence.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You created some scenarios in linking anger to unexpected events - which is not the case with God.

So how about looking at it from a parent-child relationship. A parent can tell a child to do something, and be angry when it doesn't get done - especially after repeatedly giving the same instruction. An event does not have to be unexpected to generate anger.

Understand that we come from God. The reason we get angry is because we are made in His image - and He gets angry.
You make god sound like little more than a glorified human being.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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So, DRob4JC, are you sayi g that a parent gives instructions to a child with the expectation that they will NOT be followed? I think I begin to understand the basis of your strange theology.
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Old 01-25-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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Of course God is on a higher level... that doesn't mean He is beyond anger.

God gives us a measure of free will. If He values love, then there has to be the existence of free will - otherwise we are a bunch of robots who simply follows orders. He wants people to love Him on their own.That also means there is the choice to not love Him and be disobedient to Him.
And the disobedience (that God knew was going to happen when he decided to create us) makes him "angry". You're basically saying that God gets frustrated with human actions that he imagined into existence.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:06 AM
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So, DRob4JC, are you sayi g that a parent gives instructions to a child with the expectation that they will NOT be followed? I think I begin to understand the basis of your strange theology.
I think every parent experiences the phenomenon of telling their kid to do something they know they won't. If you haven't, you're not a parent.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I think every parent experiences the phenomenon of telling their kid to do something they know they won't. If you haven't, you're not a parent.
Or at least an omniscient one.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Sure He gets angry- Jesus did when he cleaned out the temple. Gods wrath will only be an issue for unbelievers at Judgement. He may get angry at believers sins, but we will be seen as righteous at Judgement- covered in the blood of Christ. Unbelievers sins will not be covered, therefore subject to His wrath- in this case, eternal damnation in hell.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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I think every parent experiences the phenomenon of telling their kid to do something they know they won't. If you haven't, you're not a parent.
Yes, but for a parent to become extremely angry over the known outcome; some type of desired expectation was broken.

Expectation (noun)----a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.

So we are capable of doing the opposite of that which God believes to be true in the future. How can THAT be a characteristic of an all-knowing being?

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