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Old 01-25-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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He's holy, just, and righteous. He punishes sin.

The good news is that he's also loving. To the point that he took the punishment himself. All one needs to do is trust Jesus in faith.
Interesting...... So God must be trusted and his wrath should be feared. And with that trust/faith/fear relationship that you have with God, is it safe to say that you're unwilling (due to fear) to question how the all-knowing can experience anger?
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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Wow, I could come up with 15 different threads from your post alone!!! Thank YOU; you've given me a lot of insight into the religious mind. Now tell me friend......How do you feel about God's anger? Are you afraid of him? Do you truly fear his wrath? Please share, I won't judge. This is a learning experience for me.

Few know God. Yes he is angry. His creation was to be a paradise forever( it will be accomplished) Until the issues raised against him in Eden. God was correct by all means, later 1/3 of the angels fell to satan' influence. So ALL of the goats are being weeded out once and for all time. The new heavens and new earth = Gods kingdom in full control of all creation--Not a new planet--This system will burn up when Jesus comes to capture satan and his angels and abyss them for 1000 years. He brings Gods kingdom rule with him. It will never end( Daniel 2:44)
The problem in this satan ruled world there are 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian===ONE is. 1Corinthians 1:10)
All are wise to fear( opposing) Gods will. Gods will cannot fail. Mans will fails daily. That is why Jesus taught--Matthew 7:21--Only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Sure He gets angry- Jesus did when he cleaned out the temple. Gods wrath will only be an issue for unbelievers at Judgement. He may get angry at believers sins, but we will be seen as righteous at Judgement- covered in the blood of Christ. Unbelievers sins will not be covered, therefore subject to His wrath- in this case, eternal damnation in hell.
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He's holy, just, and righteous. He punishes sin.

The good news is that he's also loving. To the point that he took the punishment himself. All one needs to do is trust Jesus in faith.
It's at this point that George Carlin says

............................AND HE NEEDS MONEY!!!!!!
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Few know God. Yes he is angry. His creation was to be a paradise forever( it will be accomplished) Until the issues raised against him in Eden. God was correct by all means, later 1/3 of the angels fell to satan' influence. So ALL of the goats are being weeded out once and for all time. The new heavens and new earth = Gods kingdom in full control of all creation--Not a new planet--This system will burn up when Jesus comes to capture satan and his angels and abyss them for 1000 years. He brings Gods kingdom rule with him. It will never end( Daniel 2:44)
The problem in this satan ruled world there are 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian===ONE is. 1Corinthians 1:10)
All are wise to fear( opposing) Gods will. Gods will cannot fail. Mans will fails daily. That is why Jesus taught--Matthew 7:21--Only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.
1. I don't equate anger with love.

2. How do you personally know it was 1/3?

3. Have you personally ever seen an angel?

4. Have you personally ever seen Satan?

5. So you just believe anything written in the bible?

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Old 01-25-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Few know God. Yes he is angry. His creation was to be a paradise forever( it will be accomplished) Until the issues raised against him in Eden. God was correct by all means, later 1/3 of the angels fell to satan' influence. So ALL of the goats are being weeded out once and for all time. The new heavens and new earth = Gods kingdom in full control of all creation--Not a new planet--This system will burn up when Jesus comes to capture satan and his angels and abyss them for 1000 years. He brings Gods kingdom rule with him. It will never end( Daniel 2:44)
The problem in this satan ruled world there are 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian===ONE is. 1Corinthians 1:10)
All are wise to fear( opposing) Gods will. Gods will cannot fail. Mans will fails daily. That is why Jesus taught--Matthew 7:21--Only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.
And how did you learn all of this? Church? Reading the bible? Did you grow up around a lot of people who were afraid of God? Did you observe their fear?

Anyway, thanks for sharing and as promised; I refuse to judge your response above friend.
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The problem in this satan ruled world there are 34,000 religions claiming to be Christian===ONE is.
So you are saying that Satan rules the world? If so then why would you fear God if Satan is more powerful? He rules the world remember.

Listen, seriously, your God is the one threatening to send us all to hell for eternity because of his wrath because you say he is angry you say and because we do what is consistent with our nature (which apparently, your God created), exercising our free will (that God gave us, apparently). Satan was the guy who showed Adam and Eve the truth in the Garden of Eden when God was trying to keep them in the dark - naked and ignorant.

Is it written in any holy book or any other book for that matter, that Satan is threatening to send us to hell?

And is it written anywhere that Satan is wrathful?

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Gods will cannot fail.
Great. So how did Satan come to rule the world? Or was that part of God's will?

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Knowing we will sin and allowing us to do so does not invalidate his sovereignty. We do what is consistent with our nature.

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Old 01-25-2018, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Interesting...... So God must be trusted and his wrath should be feared. And with that trust/faith/fear relationship that you have with God, is it safe to say that you're unwilling (due to fear) to question how the all-knowing can experience anger?
I don't know about being trusted - just look at what he did to Job. The worst part is, the sneaky so and so got Satan to do it for him!
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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I don't know about being trusted - just look at what he did to Job. The worst part is, the sneaky so and so got Satan to do it for him!
Oh trust me; the "Did Satan and the OT God trade places?" thread is coming soon! Stay tuned......
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Actually, this whole thread doesn't surprise me. I've never read a book with as much cruelty in it as the bible. And Christians revel in it. Stephen King can't hold a candle to it.
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:44 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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I think this is vastly under-explored territory. Anger is an emotional reaction to violated expectations that produces a sense of existential threat. In our coddled western world, anger is often over-determined and childish irritation and annoyance over distinctly first-world problems and hides behind the charge that it's "unfair" in some way, but it originally evolved as a protection against the unexpected. The more unexpected, the more angering, the more a person is aroused to defend themselves, to "fight back".

And you're right, this is completely contrary to the omniscience of god (since he knows everything, literally nothing would be a surprise that would trigger anger), the omnipotence of god (since he's all-powerful, he can handle anything even if it WERE unexpected; it would not make him feel picked on, put upon, or threatened to begin with) and the omnibenevolence of god (a truly benevolent god would not let anything get in the way of his empathy and compassion and mercy, which he would always act out of).

When you think of it, this is really every bit the logical conundrum as the Problem of Evil, and demands a theodicy of some kind to get out of. It's just that we're so used to being abused by authority, so caught up in Stockholm Syndrome, that it SEEMS less compelling than it actually is.
It is not necessarily about it being only surprising (although there is that aspect always in it), it is about it being contrary to what is wanted or expected. Something can be surprising without eliciting wrath or anger. But one would expect a "god" fully in control would always get what it allows (wants and expects, even in the sense of simply accepting it that way).
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