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Old 02-03-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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true fundy reading and thinking. You atheist have so much more in common with fundamental Christianity then you even realize.
A liberal understanding of an evil story is still an acceptance of an evil story, you just don't do the same thing to the "non-fundamentalist" readings of the pagan stories.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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Nah. The Op's views are quite rational. He's quite right about the Garden of Eden story being rigged. That was clearly a malicious act of evil. Just creating the tree of knowledge in the first place, then putting the innocents there and TELLING them about the tree .... ! Such a set up. Only a wicked being would do such a thing, and then, to add insult to injury, he blames the innocents!
Don't forget that Adam and Eve basically had infantile minds, and ZERO experience in dealing with
anything bad or evil, and they were put up against a =MASTERMIND= that managed to get a third of humanity to follow him* (if you believe the 1st Earth age bit).

Guess who would be the winner in this situation?

*this also raised another issue with me: If God is so perfect, loving, and all that, why
would so many people and even some of the angels choose to follow Satan? Things that make you go hmmm.....
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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Nah. The Op's views are quite rational. He's quite right about the Garden of Eden story being rigged. That was clearly a malicious act of evil. Just creating the tree of knowledge in the first place, then putting the innocents there and TELLING them about the tree .... ! Such a set up. Only a wicked being would do such a thing, and then, to add insult to injury, he blames the innocents!
Nor was I talking about OPs views. I was talking about the people who claimed such irrational behavior on the part of God. They had some serious issues.


News flash: that stuff was not written BY God.
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Nor was I talking about OPs views. I was talking about the people who claimed such irrational behavior on the part of God. They had some serious issues.


News flash: that stuff was not written BY God.
Which means none of the Bible is to be trusted as accurate ? Since each of its books is considered to be a lesson inspired by God and a lesson to follow but as you say, none were written BY God?

I see no irrationality in seeing murderous and extreme behavior, particularly toward helpless creatures with literally no escape, as possibly being due to some sort of insanity or other. Actually, that would seem pretty logical - the one following the other. All the OP brings to the table to add to this is the "why" behind such a creature going insane.
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Old 02-03-2018, 06:26 PM
 
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Nor was I talking about OPs views. I was talking about the people who claimed such irrational behavior on the part of God. They had some serious issues.
News flash: that stuff was not written BY God.
Amen!
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Which means none of the Bible is to be trusted as accurate? Since each of its books is considered to be a lesson inspired by God and a lesson to follow but as you say, none were written BY God?
Non-sequitur. This all or nothing nonsense is classic fundamentalist think. Humans are flawed and fallible beings. They receive INSPIRATIONS (not dictation ) from God and use their existing knowledge, beliefs, and superstitions to interpret them. It would be extraordinarily unusual for them to be accurate. That does NOT mean the original inspirations were flawed. It means the human receivers were flawed and influenced by their lack of knowledge, superstitions, primitive beliefs, values, and savagery.
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I see no irrationality in seeing murderous and extreme behavior, particularly toward helpless creatures with literally no escape, as possibly being due to some sort of insanity or other. Actually, that would seem pretty logical - the one following the other. All the OP brings to the table to add to this is the "why" behind such a creature going insane.
You are predisposed to assign these misguided attributes to God rather than the primitive savages who came up with them because you do not want to credit the existence of God. It is easier to reject such a barbaric depiction of God.
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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God didn't do it. Yep.

  1. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and animals.
  2. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
  3. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
  4. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.
  5. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they are allowed to rape as spoils of war.
  6. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.
  7. GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
  8. GE 38:9 "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."
  9. EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
    to show that he is Lord;
    to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
    to show his great power;
    to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
  10. LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children."
  11. NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague.
  12. NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious.
  13. NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
  14. JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men.
  15. IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
And so on

Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love.
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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God didn't do it. Yep.
......
Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love.
Who was it that wrote this again?
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:55 PM
 
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Who was it that wrote this again?
Same people who declared the existence of this same god.
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Old 02-03-2018, 10:03 PM
 
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"people." right.
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Old 02-04-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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Amen!
Non-sequitur. This all or nothing nonsense is classic fundamentalist think. Humans are flawed and fallible beings. They receive INSPIRATIONS (not dictation ) from God and use their existing knowledge, beliefs, and superstitions to interpret them. It would be extraordinarily unusual for them to be accurate. That does NOT mean the original inspirations were flawed. It means the human receivers were flawed and influenced by their lack of knowledge, superstitions, primitive beliefs, values, and savagery.
You are predisposed to assign these misguided attributes to God rather than the primitive savages who came up with them because you do not want to credit the existence of God. It is easier to reject such a barbaric depiction of God.
No, I'm not predisposed to anything in this regard. I am not Christian, Jewish or Muslim.

My point went right over your head, Mystic. I actually DON'T believe these stories are anything more than the given society's attitude, and based on that, their interpretation as to what a God would do, and why.

As to your belief that that doesn't mean it is all hooey, well, actually, with this basis, there is, equally, no reason not to believe it is all hooey either, sorry. This sort of thinking is why people cherry pick the Bible. Yet the parts they personally want to believe ARE the "truth." Come on now.

The Bible is basically a textual Rorschach test.
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