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That isn't truth, that is controversy. And the logically correct thing to do is not 'agree to differ' (never mind accuse each other of being blind and closed -minded) is to try to validate the differing claims or, in cases like the origins of life or the universe, when you can't, say 'We don't know' and reject claiming either one as true until we do know.
I agree - but it is for the person making the claim to define it; not the person giving reasons why they don't accept it.
And science doesn't need to be omniscient in order to show that the claims for Intelligent design don't really stand up. That was done in refuting Behe's I/C - the best shot at I/D - and that was backed up by a court of law in Kitzmiller vs. Dover. You are making the logical error of demanding we explain everything down to to last nano -particle or we apparently haven't debunked God (which this is all about). And that is a fallacy based on another - thinking that it is our job to explain every and all processes as natural in complete detail before you would accept a god did not do it.
And THAT is based on the false argument of assumping that a god must be disproved before one stop believing in it. Logically one should NOT believe in a god until it is validated with decent evidence. It is this back to front thinking that makes all theistic argument illogical and that means it fails to evaluate data and evidence correctly, never mind honestly.
It is why Theists think that simply ignoring all the evidence and relying on Faith is a good argument. Ut is why they use gap for god arguments and appeal to unknowns.
It depends on which design claims,
Evidence of design in cosmology are accepted by most physicists.
Good speaker, but even if the story is true, he was merely springing a cunning apologetic on someone who couldn't handle it. Yes, theoretically, meanings are reducible in the end to the workings of the mind which is made of biochemicals and essentially, so is the electrical energy that works it: particles of matter/energy. And note how he imposed the conditions of the question - in terms of paper and ink; NOT of the meanings we mentally assign. Clever, but fallacious. Not logic.
You will get for example the symmetry of a Nautilus shell. But that is due to the critter secreting a slightly larger shell on the older one, and then a larger one. The result is a beautiful segmented spiral. Naturally designed.
AmazonJohn,
I think you didn’t understand and I don’t feel like spelling it out in more detail. But I will say in hoping to clarify, that truth is discerned by the senses (sight, hearing, etc) as well as intuition.
Good speaker, but even if the story is true, he was merely springing a cunning apologetic on someone who couldn't handle it. Yes, theoretically, meanings are reducible in the end to the workings of the mind which is made of biochemicals and essentially, so is the electrical energy that works it: particles of matter/energy. And note how he imposed the conditions of the question - in terms of paper and ink; NOT of the meanings we mentally assign. Clever, but fallacious. Not logic.
natural design = Homeostasis. Just like You design the proteins in you to maintain you.
does that protein "sense" you?
of course, honest and open discussions on those topics would mean "deny everything" just isn't a rational view. "deny everything" becomes convoluted logic wrapped around other centerpieces, like anti-religion, that really do not address how the universe works.
I am not sure there is ANY reasoning used that makes sense by non believers. How do you explain the modern state of Israel if there is no god? A ragtag sickly broken people, coming out of the dust of the Holocaust, no weapons or army, No air force. Defeat 7 hostile well armed Arab nations in 1948. Many first hand stories of miracles PROVE there is a god.
That's pure myth.
The Israelis were better organized and better equipped.
Prior to the 1948 War, Czechoslovakia had provided the Israelis with more than $23.8 Million in military equipment.
Your claim that Israel did not have an air force is pure fantasy.
The Israelis had more than 100 aircraft, including 89 Czechoslovakian built Avia S199s and German Messerschmidt BF-109s, plus British Spitfires and US P-51 Mustangs.
The Futuwa and Najada were paramilitary organizations from a couple of Palestinian villages that were inadequately armed and not well-trained. Sheikh Faza commanded a small militia group from his district in Palestine. The largest group by far was the Army of Salvation commanded by the Mufti of Jerusalem and was close to a battalion size in strength. Those were the Palestinian forces, and they had no radios to communicate and a limited number of civilian trucks pressed into service to move them around.
The Lebanese forces numbered less than 2,000 and had old pre-WW II French tanks like the FT-17 and the Renault R35 left over from the French Vichy government.
Syrian forces consisted of two under-strength brigades, although they did have a battalion of French R35 and R39 tanks, and a battalion of French and British armored personnel carriers, plus a battalion of field artillery.
The Egyptians fielded a slightly larger force consisting of a brigade plus attached battalions from the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptians had 3 US Sherman tanks and several dozen British Locusts and Matildas.
Iraqi forces were by far the best equipped and had two brigades totaling about 10,000 troops, including support troops, but were still inferior to the Israelis.
As Israeli historian Avi Shlaim points out, the primary mission of the Egyptian, Iraqi and Syrian forces was to prevent Israel and Jordan (then Trans-Jordan) from parceling out Palestine among themselves, and not engage and destroy Israeli forces.
As a consequence, the Egyptian, Iraqi and Syrian units were more interested in engaging and destroying Trans-Jordanian units, than Israeli units, which didn't go well, since there was a total lack of radio communication between the units, resulting in uncoordinated attacks which were not well planned in the first place.
On top of that, the Arab forces employed Western-style war-fighting like the US, British and French used, while the Israelis utilized a mix of German Wehrmacht and Soviet war-fighting styles.
Note that the US Army abandoned Western-style war-fighting in the 1980s and switched to the superior Soviet-style with the introduction of the Air-Land Battle 2000 concept.
In any event, the 1948 War was not the "miracle" you make it out to be.
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Evidence please.