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No, that's just a theistic straw man. We ask for sound evidence. We know we can not know if some god exists or doesn't. That's why theists always talk about proof, because they need to be that dishonest. Because their evidence is so bad they often argue for an impossible god. Many definitions of 'God' are logically not possible, so we can prove some versions of 'God' do not exist.
Ha, this theistic lie. Yes, evidence will suffice, but it needs to be sound. This is your problem, not ours.
Which means other experienced gods must also exist, and therefore your one and only god can NOT exist.
And if Satan is stopping us from having a 'direct inner experience with God', then you are equally 'screwed'. How do you know your version of your god is also not a lie from Satan?
So not only have you demonstrated your god can NOT exist, you have demonstrated how bad the argument from personal experience is.
I agree re theist pretending to have proof of God, its a cruel joke. Its spiritual Pride, the #1 deadliest sin.
You can know if God exists but you cannot prove it to others. Some concepts of God are logically unsound I agree.
"Which means other experienced gods must also exist, and therefore your one and only god can NOT exist."
You cannot disprove God, the concept is not falsifiable.
"And if Satan is stopping us from having a 'direct inner experience with God', then you are equally 'screwed'. How do you know your version of your god is also not a lie from Satan?"
Good question, the 911 terrorists were convinced Allah was guiding them.
But that doesn't mean there is no way to differentiate, unless you believe there is no way to differentiate between good and evil.
You raised good questions but arrived at wrong conclusions.
God is not falsifiable, I cannot demonstrate my concept of God does not exist even if I wanted to any more than I could prove His existence.
You don't know what my personal experience with God is. I haven't shared it with you.
Contempt prior to investigation keeps a man in everlasting ignorance, he steadfastly denies before even knowing.
The Bryan Melvin NDE is very interesting.
Interesting too that many Evangelicals dismiss NDE's as "unbiblical" anyway, and will often bring up the "false teacher" quote.
Like the bible gives a complete comprehensive guide to the other side?
I watched 5 minutes, it wouldn't convince me of anything but he obviously had some sort of experience. It was not compelling or too interesting.
Why do so many people think that experiences are inherently supernatural?
Today I had the unfortunate experience of burning my tongue with a cup of hot coffee. As far as I know, no supernatural agents were involved.
The experience of burning coffee. The qualia cannot be reduced to neurons and atoms, the subjectivity is non physical. This is called the HARD problem of consciousness, it cannot be explained.
The Bryan Melvin NDE is very interesting.
Interesting too that many Evangelicals dismiss NDE's as "unbiblical" anyway, and will often bring up the "false teacher" quote.
Like the bible gives a complete comprehensive guide to the other side?
NDE's would be a type of "prophet" and "prophets are not allowed at the end of days, their parents should stab them." Also they've likely been exposed to "now-Catholic" NDExperieces and the like.
I know that if my fundamentalist colleagues walked around the NDE subsection of a book store and they saw "now Catholic" "now fundie Hindu" "now really Mormon" etc, they'd stop believing that NDEs were useful for "what's really important" (at least to them).
The experience of burning coffee. The qualia cannot be reduced to neurons and atoms, the subjectivity is non physical. This is called the HARD problem of consciousness, it cannot be explained.
Yep. It might be something fundamental like quantum qualities.
Hopefully, we will understand it better at some point.
True. It is impossible, IMO, to have a genuine encounter with the reality of God and the true nature and composition of the universe and NOT come out with a positive and unmistakable impact on your life.
I'd put it more profoundly than that, experiencing a spiritual epiphany by way of direct conscious contact with God is so profound you will never be the same, never be normal again.
The bible characterizes it like this, "he is a new creature".
By the way, I just think it's interesting whenever an alleged atheist has one of these experiences. As far as whether she is on the up and up, I have no way of knowing.
No one can experience anything for you.
You do have a way of knowing though.
Have the experience yourself, although not by near death. There are ways.
No one can experience anything for you.
You do have a way of knowing though.
Have the experience yourself, although not by near death. There are ways.
I agree. Any experience of humility could have the same effect.
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