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Old 03-25-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Nature seems only to care about mere survival. Often, nature is downright evil: she handsomely rewards Evil and ruthlessly punishes Good. Nikola Tesla died penniless. Donald Trump is in the White House.

If Nature was a “person”, I wouldn’t want to meet them in a dark alley.
I love ya Freak, but Ma Nature had nothing to do with Tesla's poverty or the morons who voted for Trump.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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studying intuition is not the same as using it.
just like studying marriage is not the same as being married.
studying dance is not the same as dancing.
studying the Divine is not the same as being in relationship with the Creator.
Why would I ever equate studying with not studying?

Being married and truly understanding what marriage is (and even also the situation of your marriage) isn't the same thing either.

A marriage without study is truly an empty and ignorant one (but perhaps blissfully happy). A dance without study is a failure (or a lucky hit!).

A relationship without awareness and thought isn't a relationship at all, it's just a fascist gang system.

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Old 03-25-2018, 06:09 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Nature seems only to care about mere survival. Often, nature is downright evil: she handsomely rewards Evil and ruthlessly punishes Good. Nikola Tesla died penniless. Donald Trump is in the White House.

If Nature was a “person”, I wouldn’t want to meet them in a dark alley.
Nature doesn't "care," Nature just goes along the way it goes along. Sure, it rains on the good and bad alike, but Nikola Tesla didn't want to learn or practice how to be a salesman to the ravingly easy to manipulate by hitting the right "hatred/insecurity" buttons on the masses; Donald Trump did.

Nature would never be a "person." Unless the Sun could be. And you wouldn't want the Upclose-Radiation of the Sun anywhere near you.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:11 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Why am I not suprised mordant that you have replied to my post on intuitive riddles with a scientific explanation of consciousness.I confirm reason is your God.
Why do the theists keep projecting their need for idolization of something to the Atheists?
Atheists are complete iconoclasts, more so than the anti-polytheist monotheists.

"reason" is not sentient, it doesn't want nor require worship, it is not insecurely jealous, it (by definition) isn't a god.

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"The hypothesis is generally not considered of practical importance by mainstream psychologists." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)
Furthermore, a psychological hypothesis is NOT a scientific theory. It's barely ever even a scientific hypothesis.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Science is not our god, it is a reliable workman with good reviews.
Can't give you reps again, but if I could review churches' and priests'/pastors' level and quality of service online...
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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I have never ever seen it fail when honestly tried.

The spiritual solution isn't tried and found lacking.
Its found difficult and not tried.
You'd have to honestly try Leveyan Satanism for it to stop you from drinking "for your own selfish good." And then, of course, it would stop you from drinking.

The "spiritual" solution is purely psychological. And would easily be studied (were there any money for it).

Some people have a hard time lying to themselves or changing their perspectives without actual evidence and reasoning being provided (or at least a method to forget the contrary evidence and reason, such as a happenstance of alcoholism). Peer pressure and attempted imagination just aren't enough to quit an addiction sometimes.

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Old 03-25-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Instinct is ignored by fools.
Here's an example .
The kid is a bona fide genius savant.
But loses when relying on intellect until he relies on his instincts.
At the 29 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/PPySn3slfXI
Instinct isn't ignored, it is understood. It is an evolved reaction, it is not some divine information.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:40 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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A fool will ask the wise.
The wise ask the experienced.

Skeptics can't shut up, they are driven to seek the truth, they are compelled by evolution, to the point of obsession .
A fool would never ask the wise. A fool will be a fool and will hate the wise and favor their own feelings. A fool will call the wise fools. A fool would never ask the wise because as a fool is a fool, the fool will ask other like-minded fools to confirm with each other.

A wise seeker will ask those wiser around, and long-run studious experience is often an easy recipe for wisdom.

Then also, an experienced seeker will ask a possible fool, so as to be completely aware, in the small chance that they aren't.

Anti-skeptics can't shut up, they are driven to hammer down their personal beliefs, they are compelled by evolution, to the point of obsession.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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The rational mind is a faithful servant that is true,but the intuitive mind is a sacred gift.
We have a society that honours the servant but has forgotten the gift.
That was simply beautiful, if it's original it should be published. Yet a truly faithful servant would slap you across the face when you are wrong, and the gift of intuition is an unequal double-edged sword.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:44 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Yes. In fact Jonsey makeds a fair point: we are driven to know. But there's nothing wrong with that. It's only wrong when some juts pick a hypothesis they like and claim they "know" when they only believe.
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