11 year old girl dies due to lack of faith... (religion, prayers, divine)

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Blueberry

Hopefully, others will show some of you more grace and mercy than you've shown these people if you ever find yourself in a similar situation.

If I'm in this situation, then I don't deserve any grace or mercy.
I would take my child to the doctor well before it got to the point that it did.
Anyone with a modicum of reasoning skills would. The parents never did. They didn't even call for help (I learned this from your post).

Here's the crux of the issue for me: if the parents were not the religious zealots that they are, they're little girl would have had a chance to live.

I find it offensive that Christians value their religious beliefs more than the life of a young child.

[Donna7]

Originally Posted by MaggieZ

It's all very unfair. Terry Schiavo should have been allowed to pass away with dignity years before they finally let her rest. That was ridiculous how she laid there with that feeding tube and although I understand how hard it is to let your child go, it was selfish to keep her here on this earth long after she was braindead.
I too was told about god and all that after my son died by some believers (so called good christians). A different scenario but nevertheless, it was due to god and how he was a bad person and so was I...blah blah blah....It's the worst thing to hear at a time like that, to be told some god wanted it this way or that you caused it because you didn't believe in this god.
Anyway, it's a horrible shame that this 11 year old girl had to die because of ignorance. And the parents are responsible, there is treatment for diabetes. Only after trying all you can medically, can you say "We did all we could".

Maggie, my heart goes out to you as well.

[MaggieZ]

Thanks Donna7, I was just mentioning that incident because it reminded me of what another poster said happened when his dad passed away. Sometimes people's belief gets in the way of treating others reasonably. I mean what does one gain from saying that type thing, you know? But like I said those types are far and few in between.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Let me tell you of another boy that I know who lost his father.

This boy was @ 10 yrs old on Christmas Eve. During the Christmas Eve children's service, a neighbor walked into the service and talked to this boy's father. The neighbor informed the father that his 11 month old daughter (the boy's sister) had just died in her mother's arms. The father went home immediately and literally had to pry the dead baby from the mother arms. So grieved was the parents since they had 2 other sons and wanted so desperatley wanted a baby girl. They prayed and prayed to God for a daughter, and was overjoyed to be blessed with a daughter only to have her die on Christmas Eve.

Because of the extreme cold, the baby couldn't be buried. Whether it was of such shock or grief, the father took the dead daughter outside and hid the body so to be able to bury her in spring. A few days later from the death of the daughter, this boy came down with the flu. The father was sleeping in the same room with the 3 boy's, since there was not heat in the bedroom. The father caught the boy's flu and for two weeks tried everything to get over it.

Finally, the wife called the family doctor. He agreed to come to the house and after looking at him, the doctor gave the father a "shot". Within 2 hours of the "shot", the father told his wife that the clock was sounding funny - almost faint. She called a different doctor, told him what was happening. The new doctor came over, examined him. He asked the wife, "what did he (the other doctor) give him. After she showed him, the doctor said "I'll stay here till he dies."
To make insult to injury, the father died less than one month from his daughters death... he died on his daughters birthday. The other sad part of this story, the father never told were he hid the baby's body.

What happened next is almost unbelievable.

The mother emotionally broke down. It was still extremely cold, so buring the father was not possible. They had to put the body in the parents bedroom, put the father in the bed, open the window and leave him there till spring. Each night till he was buried, the mother had the boys go in the bedroom and say "good night and their prayers" to their dead father. In spring and after the burial of the father (they never found his sister), the mother couldn't afford the boys. She sent this boy away were he had to work for room and board. This boy saw husbands beat their wife (because they were drunk), drink from horse trough when he was thirsty. He would cry when at night other fathers would be driving past with their sons with ice cream cones, while this boy was walking the cows home. His grade school teacher would tell him that he was "dumb" and that his hands were made for pitch forks, not for pencils. This boy blames himself, for his father dying.

I don't believe that there are too many fatherless children who can say that life after there fathers death could be much worse than that.
Yet thru all of this, this boy never stopped believing in God. He held to the promise of God, that all wrongs will be corrected. He said to himself (and to me) "If I stopped believing in God - would that bring back my sister? My father? Would people stop treating me like as a slave? I look very much to see my father in heaven"

All this is a true story---it happened in 1932 in North Dakota. This "boy" was my father....... he died Jan 07, close to my grandfathers date of death in the story.

2 wrongs don't make it right.......Blaming God for the loss of your father doesn't help you either. It would be a double tradity to stop believing God.
God still loves you. Put blame where it belongs --on sin, death, devil.

Christ defeated them all for you.

What an amazing story and history of faith. Thank you for sharing this. It touched me and you are right, blaming God doesn't help, nor does it change the circumstances or bring the lost one back, continuing in the faith and trust of God assures that one day we'll be reunited with the loved one.

Thank you again. Truly inspiring story.

[mari4him]

[quote=b. frank;3271840]If I'm in this situation, then I don't deserve any grace or mercy.
I would take my child to the doctor well before it got to the point that it did.
Anyone with a modicum of reasoning skills would. The parents never did. They didn't even call for help (I learned this from your post).

Here's the crux of the issue for me: if the parents were not the religious zealots that they are, they're little girl would have had a chance to live.

I find it offensive that Christians value their religious beliefs more than the life of a young child.[/quote]

Not all Christian's do. In fact majority of Christians would have acted differently in this situation. Most would yes pray, but also seek the medical attention that is needed and required. Trusting God to bring the healing needed, through whatever means necessary, even medicine.

As someone said before, there are fanatics in every religion and there are misguided followers in every religion as well. But, being Christian is about valuing our beliefs and valuing the specialness of each human life. Being Christian is about valuing our children understanding that they are treasures and gifts from God that we are entrusted with and are held accountable for.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by MaggieZ

It's all very unfair. Terry Schiavo should have been allowed to pass away with dignity years before they finally let her rest. That was ridiculous how she laid there with that feeding tube and although I understand how hard it is to let your child go, it was selfish to keep her here on this earth long after she was braindead.
I too was told about god and all that after my son died by some believers (so called good christians). A different scenario but nevertheless, it was due to god and how he was a bad person and so was I...blah blah blah....It's the worst thing to hear at a time like that, to be told some god wanted it this way or that you caused it because you didn't believe in this god.
Anyway, it's a horrible shame that this 11 year old girl had to die because of ignorance. And the parents are responsible, there is treatment for diabetes. Only after trying all you can medically, can you say "We did all we could".

Maggie, I am so sorry for the loss of your child. I can not even begin to imagine what you went through and continue to go through.

I am also sorry that some very insensitive people would say such things to you. That's horrible to try to put blame on the parent for the loss of their child in this way and say it is in the name of God that it is done. I'm just speechless about that.

[jkcoop]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

2 wrongs don't make it right.......Blaming God for the loss of your father doesn't help you either. It would be a double tradity to stop believing God.
God still loves you. Put blame where it belongs --on sin, death, devil.

Christ defeated them all for you.

Trust me, there were a lot of other things that happened regarding religion and my upbringing. Like I said, my dad dieing and was only a snippet of what brought me to where I am now. There is no double tragedy for me.

[Haaziq]

I've always been against the death penalty, but I think using it against these parents would definitely be justified.

[stycotl]

while i agree with blueberry and a number of others who claim that we don't know all of the details, i think we have enough to realize that they were negligent. for whatever purpose, i am not sure. it might have been laziness. might have been apathy. might have actually been faith healing like they claim. but they were negligent.

now, it is not my place--or anyone else's--to say whether they are going to hell or not. accusations like that are pointless, uneducated, ignorant, and emotionally retarded. but they certainly acted poorly, negligently, and a child died because of it. i don't think that the death penalty should apply here (though i am imagining that haaziq was being somewhat sarcastic), but something definitely needs to happen.

it should not take an aunt or an uncle calling the authorities because the parents refuse to--and from all of the info we have, it was a refusal, whether passive or agressive. there need to be consequences to such incapable parenting, and they need to be strict enough that people will take notice and think twice.

aaron out.

[donsabi]

There was a documented study done on severely ill cardiac patients. One group received prayer and the other did not get any prayer. The outcome was that the group without prayer had a much better recovery rate.