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Old 05-13-2018, 07:05 AM
 
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How do you disagree academically about a sort of god? One believes it exist and the other one doesn't?
It isn't a practical disagreement that affects our lives and society. If is nothing to argue about but politely agree to disagree, and indeed we agree on more than we disagree on - like Holy Books and organised religion. That is why "Agnostics" (Irreligious theists) are often signing up as Nones, and are in our camp, unless they feel that atheism threatens their Faith in a sorta -god or would prefer to support organised Christianity than oppose it or - in one or two cases - they adore the Bible and resent it that atheism is apparently making it irrelevant, or they hate anything "Liburl" and that includes atheists of the kind who won't keep decently invisible. I won't mention names.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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Huh?
Sorry, the one Derek mentioned.
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Old 05-13-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Sorry, the one Derek mentioned.
Okay, because I think some posters have debunked the natural world as evidence for any God...what say you?
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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One of the things that non-believers, and even some of us believers are always going to question, is why do we just have a book left behind?
As somebody who is moderate theist and deep thinker, I would like everyone to be on the same page and facing the same unbiased judgement at the end of their time on Earth.
I don't believe that other Religions, ie non-Bible believers, or non-believers are doomed, nor should they be.
What are your thoughts?
There is more than one book. I highly recommend the True Gospel Revealed Anew by Jesus. It's an eye-opening read that answers many questions for those of us who aren't bible believers. In this book, we learn what the end of the world and the judgment means. It's different than what's in the bible.

The content of this book is contained in these websites and blogs:

Truth for all People

Divine Love Writings

Messages from Jesus and Celestials

Wake-Up Call for the Soul
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Old 05-13-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Is that the one where there is a spirit message from Luke endorsing the Nativity story that is demonstrably false?
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:02 PM
 
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Is that the one where there is a spirit message from Luke endorsing the Nativity story that is demonstrably false?
I don't believe so. This is what he wrote:

"I came tonight to tell you of some things which are in the Bible, and which are not true as they were never written by me, or by any one at my dictation. I never said that Jesus came to earth as the only begotten of the Father, in the sense that he was born differently from other mortals, for he was not. I mean that his father and mother were Joseph and Mary, and he was their natural son, and that they never supposed that he was begotten in any different way from what the other children were begotten." Luke, 9.17.1915

Here are messages about the Birth and Life of Jesus.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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I don't believe so. This is what he wrote:

"I came tonight to tell you of some things which are in the Bible, and which are not true as they were never written by me, or by any one at my dictation. I never said that Jesus came to earth as the only begotten of the Father, in the sense that he was born differently from other mortals, for he was not. I mean that his father and mother were Joseph and Mary, and he was their natural son, and that they never supposed that he was begotten in any different way from what the other children were begotten." Luke, 9.17.1915

Here are messages about the Birth and Life of Jesus.
I believe that it is. "Luke" (in his spirit messages) refers to Bethlehem, the manger, flight to Egypt, lecturing the teachers of the law in the temple, none of which i believe to be true. We will all have to decide for ourselves about that.
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Old 05-13-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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Okay, because I think some posters have debunked the natural world as evidence for any God...what say you?

there is a difference between evidence and proof and that distinction is not always honored. I believe there is evidence in the way things work, especially in a society as it is more aware and attempting to honor the concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation that IS the central message of Christ
(followers of Jesus know it as agape).
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Old 05-13-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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I believe that it is. "Luke" (in his spirit messages) refers to Bethlehem, the manger, flight to Egypt, lecturing the teachers of the law in the temple, none of which i believe to be true. We will all have to decide for ourselves about that.
Well, perhaps, it was Jesus and not Luke who wrote about Bethlehem:

"I was born in Bethlehem, as you know, in a manger and when I was a few days old, my parents took me to Egypt in order to avoid the soldiers of Herod who were sent to destroy me and who did kill a great number of male infants of less than two years of age. The Bible story of my birth and the flight of my parents and the murder of the innocents is substantially correct; and I only wish to add to it that when my parents arrived in Bethlehem, they were not compelled to seek the manger of a stable in order that I might be born on account of poverty - for they were supplied with funds and everything that was needed to make my birth comfortable for my mother and as a matter of fact, my father was not poor in the world's goods as poverty was considered in those days."

He writes further:

"I was never in the presence of the Jewish priests, expounding to them the law and asking questions when about twelve years of age, as stated in the Bible, and not before my first appearance after I became a man did I attempt to show priest or layman that I was the messenger of the Father, and sent by Him to proclaim the glad tidings of immortality restored, and of the great Love of the Father which was necessary to make all men at-one with Him, and to give them a home in His Kingdom." Jesus, 6.17.1915
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Old 05-13-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I believe that it is. "Luke" (in his spirit messages) refers to Bethlehem, the manger, flight to Egypt, lecturing the teachers of the law in the temple, none of which i believe to be true. We will all have to decide for ourselves about that.
Apparently this James E. Padgett claims to have been "channeling" through automatic writing. I have not evaluated what he has to say.
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