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Old 05-15-2018, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Because actions have consequences. Knowing that your selfishness can affect the people around you is partly why we don't do a lot of the things we would like to do.
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As humans, we have been given the responsiblity to deliver justice and aid each other. So by you failing to intervene, you're derelict in your duty. Basically it's like the CEO and the base employee. The CEO has the knowledge and power to do the base employee's job, however, he gave that responsibility to the base employee. If the CEO does the base employee's job then that employee will never learn what he needs to do.
Wrong...because when the caca hits the fan in any industry it is the CEOs head that goes on the block. When the sports team keeps losing, it is the manager that goes. Such is it when your god stands by and does not intervene in the rape of a child. He should take the blame. It's only you Christians that allocate the blame to someone else.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Because actions have consequences.
OK. So tell us why your god is not responsible for failing to stop the rape of a baby or for not giving rain to Africa for earthquakes, floods or other devastation.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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People growing up in communist russia had a different experience.
The results of that 75 yr experiment are in.
Today , males in Russia have 50% rate of alcoholsm.
...and America is fast catching them up.

30 Percent of Americans Have Had an Alcohol-Use Disorder

Yeah, Yeah...I know!! It's because more and more people are turning away from your god right?
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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"blamed on someone else"? I would like to see an example of that. That sounds interesting.
Well, let's put it another way. Give us an example of something bad that has happened ...and you guys have blamed your god for it.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:55 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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My still quiet voice is never the same as my own devices.
Don'r mistake arguing with yourself as arguing with something else. Have you never found that you changed you mind about something and found that -wouldja believe it - the Voice in your head changed it's mind too?

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People growing up in communist russia had a different experience.
The results of that 75 yr experiment are in.
Today , males in Russia have 50% rate of alcoholsm.
Do try to stick with the point. It was about choosing your religion or having it spoonfed to you - not about alcoholism in Russia - whatever point that is supposed to make. Please explain the relevance, if any.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:08 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Wrong...because when the caca hits the fan in any industry it is the CEOs head that goes on the block. When the sports team keeps losing, it is the manager that goes. Such is it when your god stands by and does not intervene in the rape of a child. He should take the blame. It's only you Christians that allocate the blame to someone else.
Yes, or in another context, 'there buck stops - at the top. True, the tendency is to want to pass it all the way back down and blame the subordinates (1) which is what Bible apologists try to do. But if the boss decided the strategy, the Boss takes the rap, or should. But in brutal and callous dictatorships, it is different, we know.

(1) the infamous kneejerk 'pilot error' reaction, before anyone knew what had caused the crash. -
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:31 AM
 
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It's on you to make that choice.
Lol, scripted reply.
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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OK. So tell us why your god is not responsible for not giving rain to Africa for earthquakes, floods or other devastation.
1 - "No , they are all consequences of man made changes. "

2 - "You mean , they are due to climate change?? "

1 - "Oh no, climate change is farce. "
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: From the Middle East of the USA
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Yes, but that's because you have a religion based on who Jesus was rather than a faith and a Way of life based on the message He brought. Understandable, but not really to the point IMO.
That's true of me today, but there was a time when I heard about Jesus and I had to use my faith first in order to have a basis for my religion or belief system.
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:17 PM
 
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Well, let's put it another way. Give us an example of something bad that has happened ...and you guys have blamed your god for it.
God "does" everything and anything. Regardless of what subjective assessment of "good" or "bad" that is arbitrarily assigned to it.
God does, and is, everything.
The mythological and allegorical representations of God, and that which comprises God, that are characters in ancient writings, are nothing more than that.

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