What Exactly Is The Trinity? Also, Is There A Satanic Trinity? (Egyptian, Holy Spirit)

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by nick.leviman

I hear this a lot of times especially from Christians. This doesn't have sense! Atheist ultimately do not believe in anything including God, Devil, Jesus, Lucifer etc. Atheism is not a religion. It is absence of religion, dogma, superstitions etc. In fact Satanists are Christian sect! Yes, they believe in God, Jesus etc. Atheists have nothing to do with Satanism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or anything else.

You gotta read up on Anton LaVey before you make erroneous statements like the one above. Haaziq is correct about LaVey's brand of Satanism. You must be thinking of some other kind.
Here, I'll help...

LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Oakback]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

One Christian concept I've always found confusing is the trinity, which is apparently God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit (aka The Holy Ghost). Can someone explain the relationship between them and what roles they perform? Jesus is clearly viewed as the son of God so that would mean that until about 2,000 years ago Jesus didn't exist so there couldn't have been a trinity prior to his birth. I noticed that someone posted that it was the Holy Spirit that actually caused Mary to become pregnant. I always thought that it was supposed to be God, what do believers think about that? Also, did God create the Holy Spirit and what exactly is The Holy Spirit anyway? The activities of God and Jesus are talked about in great detail in the Bible but what does the Holy Spirit do? It just seems to be something vague that is never explained.
My other question is about satan. Maybe it's just the stuff of movies but I've often heard of satan as being a part of a trinity. I guess that would be satan, the antichrist and some opposing force to The Holy Spirit. You all know I'm not a believer but I'm curious about how Christians understand the trinity and if it has an opposite that could be called a satanic trinity. What do you think?

I'm sure your able to do the research. By that I mean, anyone can search the various and complicated theologies that attempt to define what I believe is undefinable.

But I'll tender a simple opinion.

You may remember one of the creation stories in genesis, where God is referred to as "WE".
ie: "in our image, we created....."
So the question is, why is God referred to in the plural?

Because, as I believe, God is Love. And Love is a relationship.
A relationship requires more than one.

The rest is theology, hermenuetics, doctrine, and dogma.

But it starts with Love.

[coffee4me]

You mentioned that Jesus did not exist until He was born . This is incorrect. Jesus has always existed but He was in heaven with God. He came to earth as a baby. I know this is very hard to understand. All of us struggle with the concept. We can only try to understand it in our human minds. You will not find the term "trinity" in the Bible. It was a term that was coined by the church to give a name to the concept of their being a 3-in-1 God. Not 3 different gods, but 1 God in 3 persons. Again how to understand this? It is tough to think about and understand it. Many have no doubt written dissertations on the subject. It is thought of as God the Father. Jesus, His Son . The Holy Spirit is called our comforter and He is the one that was sent to us when Jesus returned to heaven.

As for Satan...there is no trinity for Him BUT he does love to imitate (mock) God. He will take whatever God does, and imitate it or mock it. It would not surprise me if there is some imitation of the trinity due to the fact that he likes to imitate God.

[coffee4me]

Originally Posted by Oakback

I'm sure your able to do the research. By that I mean, anyone can search the various and complicated theologies that attempt to define what I believe is undefinable.

But I'll tender a simple opinion.

You may remember one of the creation stories in genesis, where God is referred to as "WE".
ie: "in our image, we created....."
So the question is, why is God referred to in the plural?

Because, as I believe, God is Love. And Love is a relationship.
A relationship requires more than one.

The rest is theology, hermenuetics, doctrine, and dogma.

But it starts with Love.

Good answer.

[nick.leviman]

Originally Posted by b. frank

You gotta read up on Anton LaVey before you make erroneous statements like the one above. Haaziq is correct about LaVey's brand of Satanism. You must be thinking of some other kind.
Here, I'll help...
LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read it. It is not atheism. Whoever called it atheism making a speculation. Atheism do not have and kind of worshiping and believing in Satan or anything similar.
From your wiki:
"Anton LaVey established Satanism's first and largest religious organization, the Church of Satan, in 1966, and codified Satanic beliefs and practices in the Satanic Bible in 1969."
Clearly that this is religion.
Atheism have nothing to do with this. Again Atheism is side-effect of education and ability to question things. People who believe in that LaVey's crap definitely don't know how to question things. Mentioning of Atheists in this article in wiki probably made by that brainwashed author, who been told in his church that "Atheist have horns". So he decided to "justify" it with wiki, but again without proofs.

[Dusty Rhodes]

OK, this is a logic thing here guys. Since I do not believe in the theoretical "good" diety and the trinity of things on that plane, then...why in the world would I believe in another trinity with another mythological beastie/diety with a bad disposition?

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by Oakback

I'm sure your able to do the research. By that I mean, anyone can search the various and complicated theologies that attempt to define what I believe is undefinable.

But I'll tender a simple opinion.

You may remember one of the creation stories in genesis, where God is referred to as "WE".
ie: "in our image, we created....."
So the question is, why is God referred to in the plural?

Because, as I believe, God is Love. And Love is a relationship.
A relationship requires more than one.

The rest is theology, hermenuetics, doctrine, and dogma.

But it starts with Love.

ahem....

and is followed by laughter? just my guess. (scratch)

[moonsun]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

until about 2,000 years ago Jesus didn't exist so there couldn't have been a trinity prior to his birth.



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O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

I noticed that someone posted that it was the Holy Spirit that actually caused Mary to become pregnant.



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16 Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
17 She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
18 She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
22 So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
23 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
24 But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25 "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26 "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
35 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

My other question is about satan. Maybe it's just the stuff of movies but I've often heard of satan as being a part of a trinity.

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And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves unto Adam." So they prostrated themselves except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers).

[DaniMae1]

What is so hard to understand. Didn't any of you take 1st grade math?
1+1+1=1!!! Geesh!

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by DaniMae1

What is so hard to understand. Didn't any of you take 1st grade math?
1+1+1=1!!! Geesh!

1 + 1 + 1 in the above equation with 1 x 1 x 1. 1 x 1 x 1 does equal 1

One infinite Father plus one infinite Son plus one infinite Holy Spirit equals one infinite Godhead. Since God is infinite, this is a suitable mathematical description of the doctrine.

For instance, one such analogy is the egg, consisting of the yolk, the white, and the shell. There is one egg, with three parts. However the egg fails as an adequate analogy since there is no way that a yolk can be considered an egg. Nor may either of the other parts be considered an egg. The egg analogy is simply three parts of a whole which is not analogous to the Trinity.