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Old 05-28-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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Right...With anything we "know" it falls on a "probability scale".
Nothing can ever be 100%... because anything could be something other than what we figure it is.
The only reason we believe anything at all...is because we have faith (to whatever degree) that we trust the accuracy of the data/info that supports it. Without that faith...you would not believe it to be so.
You always need faith.
That is why it is ignorant to say that it is foolish for the religious to believe what they do on faith...when everyone believes anything and everything they do on faith.
I understand just fine that some things have higher probability of being accurate than others...but it is always on faith we accept whatever degree of probability we think it has.
Religious beliefs are not an exception as many like to claim. All knowledge is supported upon faith.
When you use your cell phone, is it really "faith" that you are dealing with? Or is it actual experience that the darned thing actually works as advertised? Because if your cell phone works as advertised then that serves as confirmation that the concept of quantum mechanics, which is the underlying foundation of most modern electronic devices, is sound. This is not really faith. This is personal experience that is confirmed each and every time you successfully use any electronic device. On the other hand, is it "faith" that causes you to doubt that Santa has a team of flying reindeer? Or is it the observation (experience) that reindeer are not capable of controlled flight and that magic is make believe? Because believing that a corpse came back to life and flew away requires the same sort of childlike faith in make believe that children have in Santa and his team of flying reindeer.
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Old 05-28-2018, 10:21 AM
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The line we use consciously and unconsciously is probability... the probability of this or that.
Yes, and that is why the scale is not one of degrees of faith but probability based upon methodologies that seek to track and vet data so that we can be confident in the conclusions drawn from such data. Too say as GldnRule did that all of this are degrees of faith is ridiculous and a meaningless equivocation. In our usage of the term faith we ascribe it to that which has a low probability based upon the evidence or type and quality of evidence. It is usually and generally something that is trusted despite the evidence of lack thereof. Just because there is a smaller and smaller probability and one end of the scale that we might be wrong about the conclusion does not mean that it should all be classified as FAITH.

The only reason the faithful engage in such BS is that they are trying to undermine the methodology that gives us a high probability while at the same time elevate the idea of faith because deep down they know that faith is a weak reason to trust and believe anything. They thus seek to lump everyone and everything into the same weak box as them.

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Old 05-28-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Humans reason. Animals project.

Humans know. Animals believe.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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Humans reason. Animals project.

Humans know. Animals believe.
You're projecting.
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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In a sense that is true. Everyone is always projecting.

Projecting:
You see what you want to see and if you truly want to see what the facts say when they are allowed to speak for themselves then you will indeed see that too.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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In a sense that is true. Everyone is always projecting.

Projecting:
You see what you want to see and if you truly want to see what the facts say when they are allowed to speak for themselves then you will indeed see that too.
we all want to see something, don't we?
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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And some of us want to see what the facts say when they are allowed to speak for themselves
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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Humans reason. Animals project.

Humans know. Animals believe.

Yes, so you keep saying.

On multiple threads.


Humans know. Humans believe. Humans have opposable thumbs. I'm working on a project.

Animals function on instinct. My dog likes biscuits. He likes to chase squirrels.


I don't have a point, I'm just riffing. But then you don't seem to have a point either.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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Go ahead and play dumb. Why would I care?
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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Go ahead and play dumb. Why would I care?

No idea. Why do you keep posting the same exact thing over and over if you don't care?


And by the way, my post is every bit as valid as yours.


Are you playing dumb?
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