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Old 05-27-2018, 12:29 PM
 
Location: PRM (Peoples Republic of MN)
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I think since my mother died, I started looking at everything differently.


The way she went - the way people all have kind of moved on, the way I saw my father give up on life, it kind of made me think, is that all this "life" is all about?


Nothing has any meaning? Why bother golfing? It's stupid. Why watch my pro sports teams? They aren't that relevant.


Why give a **** about anything?


I'm conflicted - I was raised Protestant, so I am in between believing and honestly not knowing why I am even here.
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Old 05-27-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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I think since my mother died, I started looking at everything differently.


The way she went - the way people all have kind of moved on, the way I saw my father give up on life, it kind of made me think, is that all this "life" is all about?


Nothing has any meaning? Why bother golfing? It's stupid. Why watch my pro sports teams? They aren't that relevant.


Why give a **** about anything?


I'm conflicted - I was raised Protestant, so I am in between believing and honestly not knowing why I am even here.
That is not an uncommon feeling from the lost of a parent. I never got that when my father died almost 2 decades ago nor from the lost of my wifeís parents hence I can only try to empathize with you without any actual experience. Would your mother have wanted you to give up on yourself or life, or even something as mundane as golf? Yes golf is studio which is why I only play a couple times a year if that. That it is stupid and I sick at it. ☺

I truly hope that you can overcome this and that others can give you better advice that I would be able to do.
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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Perhaps the OP meant, there is no right or wrong if itís a void after death.
And this argument actually has some weight in it.
Yes, there is definitely some weight if this is the case.

Ive read a number of NDEs, where the people claim they are in a black void, no light, sound, nothing around, they said it felt like they were paralyzed (no body or limbs), and it was basically just their own consciousness in a black void, many said they began to panic, and a few said in just a short amount of time in a place like this, you start to question if you ever existed or if it was an illusion, its some really scary stuff to consider!!

But the question is relevant, what is right or wrong if this is what the afterlife is like? What difference does it make then?
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I think since my mother died, I started looking at everything differently.


The way she went - the way people all have kind of moved on, the way I saw my father give up on life, it kind of made me think, is that all this "life" is all about?


Nothing has any meaning? Why bother golfing? It's stupid. Why watch my pro sports teams? They aren't that relevant.


Why give a **** about anything?


I'm conflicted - I was raised Protestant, so I am in between believing and honestly not knowing why I am even here.
Are you Peggy Lee?
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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Why bother with anything in this life? EVERYTHING is meaningless, right?
Wrong. Frankly, and I'm going to be blunt - that's a really dumb idea.

Why enjoy time spent with one of your children, or bounce a grandchild on your knee?
Why enjoy good cheer with friends?
Why enjoy lovemaking with a special someone?
Why enjoy a walk in the woods on a beautiful day?

Unless... when you finally kick off decades in the future, you go to a really fun place? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Do you have children? Do you tell them 'Hey, if it turns out that there's no heaven, then having you and raising you was a completely meaningless waste?'. Because that's your claim. And how sad is that? Sad. Really sad. Pathetically sad.

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Isn't it?

If it just goes blank/dark/black when we die...what does anything matter?
Why enjoy a nice steak dinner if you're just going to be hungry again in a few hours? Why not just spend the minimum on sustenance? Why go on a vacation if it's just going to end and you have to come home? Why have a dog if it's just going to die long before you do?

The answer to all these questions, the glaringly obvious 'Duh!' answer is, of course, for the experiences themselves.

My life is rich and full and I have no need at all for some external bestowment of 'meaning' on it. I truly pity you for that fact that you think you do.

Because I don't believe you do. I think you believe you do, but theists often make claims about themselves that simply are not true. A similar one is the trite old chestnut that asserts that but for a deity and its declaration of universal rules of morality there would be no reason not to pillage/rape/kill. Yet atheists, including those who were theists and then became atheists, manifest no greater incidences of theft and assault and murder than do theists, which reveals how hollow is that claim. So, too, does the lack of a wave of suicides by masses of theists-turned-atheist leaving notes saying 'Why not? What's the point?'.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You GO, Hulsker!
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:10 PM
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Location: Better left unsaid
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Whatever awaits us on the "other side" - or even nothing - doesn't change the value of every day on Earth, and how we spend our time. We can obviously spend it many different ways, so why not try and help the world be better? It sure beats the crap and dysfunction that many engage in.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Perhaps the OP meant, there is no right or wrong if itís a void after death.
And this argument actually has some weight in it.

Why?

Why should 'void after death' have any impact on right and wrong in life?
That's only if you have a heaven or hell perspective.

As an athiest I still live my life in a good way regardless.

Why wouldn't I? Life is precious. You only get one go at it. Why would I want to ruin it by being a horrible person?
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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I think since my mother died, I started looking at everything differently.


The way she went - the way people all have kind of moved on, the way I saw my father give up on life, it kind of made me think, is that all this "life" is all about?


Nothing has any meaning? Why bother golfing? It's stupid. Why watch my pro sports teams? They aren't that relevant.


Why give a **** about anything?


I'm conflicted - I was raised Protestant, so I am in between believing and honestly not knowing why I am even here.

You set your own purpose. Life is a precious gift whether you believe in god or not.
The chances of us being here at all are too small to fathom. We are here by way of a series of cosmic and evolutionary accidents.

Dont waste it.
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Wrong. Frankly, and I'm going to be blunt - that's a really dumb idea.

Why enjoy time spent with one of your children, or bounce a grandchild on your knee?
Why enjoy good cheer with friends?
Why enjoy lovemaking with a special someone?
Why enjoy a walk in the woods on a beautiful day?

Unless... when you finally kick off decades in the future, you go to a really fun place? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Do you have children? Do you tell them 'Hey, if it turns out that there's no heaven, then having you and raising you was a completely meaningless waste?'. Because that's your claim. And how sad is that? Sad. Really sad. Pathetically sad.



Why enjoy a nice steak dinner if you're just going to be hungry again in a few hours? Why not just spend the minimum on sustenance? Why go on a vacation if it's just going to end and you have to come home? Why have a dog if it's just going to die long before you do?

The answer to all these questions, the glaringly obvious 'Duh!' answer is, of course, for the experiences themselves.

My life is rich and full and I have no need at all for some external bestowment of 'meaning' on it. I truly pity you for that fact that you think you do.

Because I don't believe you do. I think you believe you do, but theists often make claims about themselves that simply are not true. A similar one is the trite old chestnut that asserts that but for a deity and its declaration of universal rules of morality there would be no reason not to pillage/rape/kill. Yet atheists, including those who were theists and then became atheists, manifest no greater incidences of theft and assault and murder than do theists, which reveals how hollow is that claim. So, too, does the lack of a wave of suicides by masses of theists-turned-atheist leaving notes saying 'Why not? What's the point?'.
Excellent post. There's an old saying -- Life is what you make it.
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