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All I want is testable evidence. Calling me insincere proves nothing.
Okay, but why? What would it do for you if you knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there was a grand creator? How would it change how you live your life?
All I want is testable evidence. Calling me insincere proves nothing.
Listen old chip! Many of us have been here for years asking for it and it hasn't appeared yet. You needn't push any more as if you have them 'stumped'. We've had 'em stumped for years. You're not bringing anything new.
How dare you not believe in the biblical god. He has provided you all the proof you need. The fact that all other religious books and gods are fake, does not give you reason to doubt the biblical god. Shame on you, now go and sin no more.
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There is no foolish spoof so foolish that a Christian can't be more foolish in all seriousness.
1. I've yet to see enough evidence for a grand creator.
2. I'm not convinced that any particular religion is true or the truest.
3. I have clear life goals and I don't feel astray or confused at all.
However, I'm open-minded to any new evidence that are testable. I'd be more than glad to be proven wrong.
So, dear theists/believers, here's the deal: if you provide me enough evidence to convince me that a grand creator exists and that your religion is true, I'll convert.
Well, if being an atheist has made your life personally more rewarding, that is the power of belief. The evidence of any belief is that you can act on it and you feel better for it. It's not about right or wrong.
Okay, but why? What would it do for you if you knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there was a grand creator? How would it change how you live your life?
Well, for me, if I was wrong, I'd want to know. And a sound case for a God would be just the start. But it's academic. There is a Certain Person on the boards whose Name I will not mention because I haven't asked her permission, but this briliiant and eloguent young lady isn't always well, and if I were God, I would (if I was able) put her to rights and make sure she knew I'd done it and would ask her to state publically that she was wrong to be atheist. And there are a few more I'd target. If I done it to Paul, I could surely do it to them, and saving people trumps respect for free will doesn't it?
No, in all reason if there was a God of Paul, atheism would have dies the death long ago. But it grows and all we get is bleating about Faith and claims about how much it will improve your life, the crime rate and world peace, apart from the Middle East where Prophecy (of a bloody and vicious kind - just what God likes) is being arranged.
It stinks. How glad I am that it isn't true.
While I think of it...I probably won't heave a Grave and headstone. But, if I did the inscription would be "If I don't come back and tell you it's all true, you can assume that it isn't".
Ah, okay. If you're a scientist, I'd say conduct your own experiments and don't rely on anyone else's "evidence".
I didn't say I'm a scientist. I'm not one--like, at all.
But if I were to conduct my own experiment, I'd:
1. Get a glass of water.
2. Attach it to a machine that will detect any anomalies.
3. Pray that it turns into wine.
4. Get people of various religious beliefs to pray that it turns into wine.
5. Do all of the above multiple times.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no scientist--like, AT ALL.
But if I were to conduct my own experiment, I'd:
1. Get a glass of water.
2. Attach it to a machine that will detect any anomalies.
3. Pray that it turns into wine.
4. Get people of various religious beliefs to pray that it turns into wine.
5. Do all of the above multiple times.
If anomalies were detected only while someone prayed, I'd consider it evidence for his/her religion.
So, it's not the "grand creator" part that is really of interest to you. You're actually wanting to know if prayer "works"? You want to harness the power, perhaps?
That's understandable. I think that's the case for most "believers". They want to live life in an empowered way. I think religion can do that for people, and conversely, I think religion often disempowers people. Personally, if I was an atheist, I'd approach life the same way I do as a believer, and expect similar results: practicing appreciation and a good attitude. In other words, striving for mental and emotional health. If anything is going to produce "miracles", that's it.
Okay, but why? What would it do for you if you knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there was a grand creator? How would it change how you live your life?
I think you're begging the question. What if you knew, deep in your heart, that there was NO grand creator? How would IT change your life?
Well, for me, if I was wrong, I'd want to know. And a sound case for a God would be just the start. But it's academic.
I agree -- I think it's academic.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
There is a Certain Person on the boards whose Name I will not mention because I haven't asked her permission, but this briliiant and eloguent young lady isn't always well, and if I were God, I would (if I was able) put her to rights and make sure she knew I'd done it and would ask her to state publically that she was wrong to be atheist. And there are a few more I'd target. If I done it to Paul, I could surely do it to them, and saving people trumps respect for free will doesn't it?
No, in all reason if there was a God of Paul, atheism would have dies the death long ago. But it grows and all we get is bleating about Faith and claims about how much it will improve your life, the crime rate and world peace, apart from the Middle East where Prophecy (of a bloody and vicious kind - just what God likes) is being arranged.
It stinks. How glad I am that it isn't true.
While I think of it...I probably won't heave a Grave and headstone. But, if I did the inscription would be "If I don't come back and tell you it's all true, you can assume that it isn't".
I think you're begging the question. What if you knew, deep in your heart, that there was NO grand creator? How would IT change your life?
Oh, I've been there. It changed my life for the worse. It sent me into a deep grief. Not all of us are cut out for atheism.
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That was very good..too good...and you MUST add a smiley when you are kidding! 
